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<p class=MsoNormal>Eclipse DSDP-TM 2005-10-14</p>
<p class=MsoNormal>Brainstorming Notes</p>
<p class=MsoNormal><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Coordinating
debuggers (ARM+DSP) [Events?]</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Run
Control</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Module
Loads / symbol file association</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Inter-debugger
events</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Setting
up a multi-core launch</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>TM
framework vs. extensions</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>ECF</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Multiple
Connections with same target [Querying TM config]</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Unique
target ID</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>ICE+agent
-&gt; what is target stop</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Each
connection might be from different vendors</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Dependencies</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Setting
and querying properties (static or dynamic) could be done by getting APIs
using adapters or key-value pairs</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Dropping
into device debugging (or OS debugging) [Actions, events?]</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Debuggers
could be separate</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Too OS
focused?</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Workflow
scenarios</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Launching
scenarios</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Scenarios
for board bring up</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=square>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Only
memory &amp; registers</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Maybe
without run-control or without project</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Connect
only</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>OS
debugging</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Project-less
debugging</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Board
description</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Tools
or services in TM framework vs. just providing an opaque data store</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Purely
informational (docs)</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Board
manufacturer to create descriptions</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>XML
files</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Composing
configuration by reference existing components descriptions</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Converting
different formats (XSLT?)</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Define
common formats</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Avoid
copying device descriptions</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=square>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Directly
suck in a standard format</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>AI:
bring out current formats to the group (registers, memory, cores)</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=square>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>New
subgroup?</li>
</ul>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Shared
board labs</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Launch
actions – scripting?</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Boarder
between TM and launch</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>What
does “connect” mean?</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Security,
encryption &amp; authentication</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Ssh</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Access
control (deployed devices)</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>DSM
(management of deployed devices)</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Update
policies</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Other
tools/services beyond debug and download</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Flashing</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Profiling</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Etc</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Events
between TM-aware tools/services?</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>An
Eclipse issue/service (not TM)?</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>ECF
with a loopback connection?</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Listeners</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Concerned
about moving debugger stuff down</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Many
levels of synchronized run-control</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=square>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Some
ICE have HW support for triggering each other.<span style="mso-spacerun:
yes">  </span>This must be possible to describe in the TM</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>This
cross triggering could also be done in software by connectors</li>
</ul>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>AI:
Add legend to the DSDP-TM Base Architecture slide</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Connection
groups</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Could
help describe synchronous run-control</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Same
target or different</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Relationships
between connections in the same group e.g. agent+HW connection on the
same target</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Associate
launch with connection.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>Associate
launch with project.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>Associate
project with build-spec.</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>System
unique properties provided by different sub-system (e.g. project,
connection, launch, etc) could be used for filtering by taking
intersection of existing ones.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes"> 
</span>Example of system unique properties could be</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=square>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Platform
(VxWorks, Linux, QNX, etc)</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Project
type (Application, Process, SHLIB, Kernel, LKM, etc)</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Architecture
(PPC, ARM, etc)</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>CPU
variant</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Endianess</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Compatibility
(fuzzy?)</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Internal
properties could be translated to system unique properties by the
sub-system or sub-system plug-ins</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Wizard
for creating launches</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Open
source GDB using gdb-server need to launch agent on target.<span
style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>This is true for other agents
also.<span style="mso-spacerun: yes">  </span>In the general case a
preparation stage might be needed before the agent is available to be
connected to.</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Some
target connections might want to connect from the wizard w/o asking in
order to auto-detect services or settings known by the target e.g. path
mapping</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>How do
we get the executable to the target?</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Debugger</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Other
service</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Multiple
download paths</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Availability
in connection specification or discovered on the fly by action availability</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Choosing
a path in the launch </li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=square>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>In
other cases user might specify “use any available path”</li>
</ul>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>How
quickly will CDT adopt Darin’s new architecture?</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Remote
GDB – how to handle I/O to/from the debugged program?</li>
</ul>
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<p class=MsoNormal><![if !supportEmptyParas]>&nbsp;<![endif]><o:p></o:p></p>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Workflow</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Preconditions</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=square>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>First
product launch</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>OS
already booted &amp; configured</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Agent
already running</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Remote
X86 target running Linux</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Application
debugging using gdb over TCP/IP</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Project
is open with application</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Some
information already needed at build time (build spec)</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Lot
of pre-configuration might be shipped already</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Target
setup was not of startup</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1;tab-stops:list 2.0in'>Questions
should be deferred</li>
</ul>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>New
&gt; Target Connection &gt; Linux Agent</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=square>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Wizard</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1;tab-stops:list 2.0in'>IP
address</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1;tab-stops:list 2.0in'>Connection
name (possibly computed from other properties but could be modified or
overridden by user)</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1;tab-stops:list 2.0in'>Finish
</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level5 lfo1;tab-stops:list 2.5in'>Target
connects (if option selected)</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level5 lfo1;tab-stops:list 2.5in'>Status
information is shown</li>
</ul>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Select
executable &gt; run &gt; debug (create launch)</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1;tab-stops:list 2.0in'>System
picks correct launch type</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1;tab-stops:list 2.0in'>User
confirms connection (localhost-native vs. remote)</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1;tab-stops:list 2.0in'>Bring
up launch dialog</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1;tab-stops:list 2.0in'>Enter
target path or keep default</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level5 lfo1;tab-stops:list 2.5in'>Specify
FTP download</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level4 lfo1;tab-stops:list 2.0in'>Additional
download’s (shared libraries, configuration files, …)</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level3 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.5in'>Press
“Debug” button</li>
</ul>
</ul>
</ul>
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<p class=MsoNormal>CDT</p>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Who
extends whom?</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Optional
CDT plug-in that depends on TM</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Extend
or add launch configuration type</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>CDT
could contribute Actions to TM</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Right
click on a connection</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Contributed
to certain connection types</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Option
A: Each vendor (debugger provider) doing their LC-type (by deriving from
base type)</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>New
launch configuration type: Remote c/c++ application</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Option
B: Add an extension point to CDT (or platform?) such that tools/actions
can be added to a launch</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Problem:
not all debugger back-ends might support TM extension</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Option
C: Contribute connection to debugger dropdown</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>What
if just running?</li>
</ul>
</ul>
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<p class=MsoNormal>TM API</p>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Connection
in launch: reference or copy?</li>
<ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Share
connections with same mechanisms as launches</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1;tab-stops:list 1.0in'>Warning
“changing global settings”</li>
</ul>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>getConnectionData(ref)</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>showConnectionSelection(filter)</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>TM to
define a Widget for connection selection</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>Connect()
vs. isConnected()</li>
<li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1;tab-stops:list .5in'>RunAction
– in first version to be done by delegate</li>
</ul>
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