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| <title>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for July 29, 2008 Conference Call</title> |
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| <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for July 29, 2008 Conference Call</h1> |
| <h2>Call Info</h2> |
| <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br /> |
| Alternate: 770-615-1247<br /> |
| Access code: 800388# <br /> |
| <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full list of phone numbers</a><br /> |
| <br /> |
| <a |
| href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107 |
| &month=10 |
| &day=16 |
| &year=2007 |
| &hour=11 |
| &min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call |
| Time: 1500 UTC</a></p> |
| <h2>Attendees</h2> |
| <h3>PMC Members</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>David Williams: Y</li> |
| <li>Naci Dai: Y</li> |
| <li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li> |
| <li>Neil Hauge: Y</li> |
| <li>Tim deBoer: R</li> |
| <li>Kaloyan Raev Y</li> |
| </ul> |
| <!-- |
| <h3>Invited Guests</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Philippe Ombredanne (ATF): N</li> |
| </ul> |
| --> |
| <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2> |
| <ul> |
| <li>All <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/ganymede/learn.php">Ganymede demo videos </a>are now live.</li> |
| <li>Actions from <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_30">Debrief/assessment |
| of WTP 3.0 dev. cycle</a> |
| <ul> |
| <li>IM "standard" client?</li> |
| <li>and others ....</li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| </ul> |
| <h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2> |
| <!-- Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top --> |
| <h3>Planning: David Williams</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>3.0.1 RC2 this Thursday</li> |
| <li>Pre 1.0 release of XSL component mid August</li> |
| <li>Pre 1.0 release of ATF component mid October</li> |
| <li>3.0.1, 3.0.2 and 3.0.3</li> |
| <li>JPT 2.1 ?</li> |
| <li>2009, Io/Galileo Release</li> |
| </ul> |
| <dl> |
| <dt>Notes:</dt> |
| <dd>Reminder to be sure to check for <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.0.1/pmc-bug-approval.php">"PMC |
| Review" bugs</a>.</dd> |
| <dd>Reminded to be consistent in approving defects (such as getting project lead review, documenting "stop |
| ship" need, etc.</dd> |
| </dl> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP Planning Role</a></li> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Patches_for_Release_2.0.2">patch process document</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3> |
| <dl> |
| <dt>Notes:</dt> |
| <dd>Neil investigating "close old bugs" policy.</dd> |
| <dd>Neil has estimated approximately 800 bugs (of 2000 untargeted bugs) could be considered "old bugs". He'll |
| prepare a table and note to send to project with encouragement to PLs to handle ... something like either triage |
| individually and assign a target, or mark with 'helpwanted' or mark in mass with a kind comment to re-open if still |
| an issue (with reason for the mass update, etc.).</dd> |
| </dl> |
| <h4>Reference:</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP Quality Lead</a></li> |
| <li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality Page</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>FYI: XSL team doing walktrough this Wednesday (23rd) |
| <p>For info and notes of meeting, see <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/XSL_Tools_UI_Preferences_Review">XSL |
| Tools UI Preference Review</a></p> |
| </li> |
| <li>Investigating OpenEJB container (from Apache) for quick/easy out of the box testing, etc.</li> |
| <li>Kaloyan, on behalf of PMC, will encourage all Project Leads to do a UI walkthrough. Some quick |
| brainstorming ideas we though of were: |
| <ul> |
| <li>Webservices: many WS wizards use non-standard wizard UI/graphics (is this "cool", or is this |
| distracting)?</li> |
| <li>New Projects/Facets: once again</li> |
| <li>Server tools, such as:<br /> |
| Consistent Installable runtimes (make api? suggest common approach in Eclipse, such as for datatools, for |
| consistent user experience)<br /> |
| Server runtimes "effects" many places or properties, such as classpath, module dependancies, project build path. |
| So, are there simpler ways? more consistent ways to set/modify these values?</li> |
| <li>JPA: details view vs. property's view vs. outline view. Neil was quick to point out "they were first" |
| :) <br /> |
| <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=137050">Dali bug 137050</a><br /> |
| <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=158607">Platform bug 158607</a><br /> |
| <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=156277">Platform bug 156277</a><br /> |
| <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=237928">Platform bug 237928</a><br /> |
| <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=154781">JDT UI bug 154781</a><br /> |
| <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=162079">Platform bug 162079</a><br /> |
| </li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| </ul> |
| <h4>References</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP User Experience Lead</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Will be re-forming group to priortize architecture items for 3.1</li> |
| </ul> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP Architecture Lead Role</a></li> |
| <li>Tracking meetings and work at <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP |
| Architecture Working Group</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3> |
| <p><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_3.1_Project_Plan">Planning Process Document</a> has been started.</p> |
| <p>Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a <a |
| href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg01422.html">Planning Council message</a> |
| (and elsewhere). Should we adjust ours?</p> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP Requirements Lead Role</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3> |
| <p>Please review: <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/resources/">Resource Page Proposal</a></p> |
| <p>Naci was approached (and countered) with some proposed articles for Eclipse (online) magazine [need link. only |
| one I found last published in 2007?] Naci will invite authors for a series of articles for "WTP Uncovered":</p> |
| <ol> |
| <li>web developer tools (xml, xsl, html, css)</li> |
| <li>web applications with Java (jsf, jsp, server)</li> |
| <li>enterpise application (jpa/ejb)</li> |
| <li>soa, webservices</li> |
| <li>adopters/extending (maybe)</li> |
| </ol> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP Education Lead</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h2>General business?</h2> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Other projects to watch: |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA Tools</a></li> |
| <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT Texo project proposal</a></li> |
| <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven Integration</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| </ul> |
| <h2>PMC Calendar</h2> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipseworld.net/">Eclipse World</a><br /> |
| Raghu and Neil have submitted.</li> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/summiteurope2008/">Eclipse European Summit</a>. Known cases of presentations to be submitted: Kaloyan "project creation?", Naci will attend but (probably) not present. JPA, probably Shawn probably combined with EclipseLink. JSF, probably Cameron.</li> |
| </ul> |
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| <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p> |
| <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p> |
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