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<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for December 02, 2008 Conference Call</h1>
<h2>Call Info</h2>
<p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
Access code: 173098# <br />
<a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full list of phone numbers</a><br />
<br />
<a
href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
&amp;month=11
&amp;day=04
&amp;year=2008
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Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>
<h2>Attendees</h2>
<h3>PMC Members</h3>
<ul>
<li>David Williams: N</li>
<li>Naci Dai: N</li>
<li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
<li>Neil Hauge: Y</li>
<li>Tim deBoer: Y</li>
<li>Kaloyan Raev: Y</li>
</ul>
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<h3>Invited Guests</h3>
<ul>
<li>Philippe Ombredanne (ATF): N</li>
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<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
<ul>
<li>EclipseSummit<p/>
2 days, 30 sponsors<br/>
surprisingly well attended, 400+ attendees<br/>
Kaloyan gave WTP update to about 40-50 attendees, but not much general interest in WTP<br/>
good quality and content of other talks<br/>
interest in embedded devices (OSGi, runtime) and Eclipse plugin development<br/>
Cameron attended too, modeling was also an interest</li>
<li>Discussed opportunities with a course at York University</li>
<li>Neil raised issues with Dali moving to new validation framework, Tim
will ask Gary to follow up with help</li>
</ul>
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Reports, Actions, Issues
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<h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
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Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top
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Architecture
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<h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
<ul>
<li>API Tools. Tim to investigate and make recommendations to teams.</li>
<li>Tim investigated API tools. There is a wizard that adds a builder to each
plugin you select to add API tools support. There were some minor changes to move
up to the tools (e.g. adding @noimplement javadoc tag) and taking a baseline,
but it did catch missing @since tags, broken API, plugin versions that
should be incremented, etc. Would recommend for 3.1 development.</li>
<li>Next step is to try with plugins that have more API issues, non-internal
packages that shouldn't be public, etc. to see if the impact to development
teams is acceptable.</li>
<li>Also need to investigate build impact.</li>
<li></li>
</ul>
<h4>Reference</h4>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
<li>Tracking meetings and work at <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
Architecture Working Group</a></li>
</ul>
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Education
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<h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
<p>Naci reports web pages for education materials are about ready. He is writing article, as deadline is in
December. Raghu was only response he got for being interested in contributing too.</p>
<hr />
<p>Please review: <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/resources/">Resource Page Proposal</a></p>
<p>Naci was approached (and countered) with some proposed articles for Eclipse (online) magazine [need link. only
one I found last published in 2007?] Naci will invite authors for a series of articles for "WTP Uncovered":</p>
<ol>
<li>web developer tools (xml, xsl, html, css)</li>
<li>web applications with Java (jsf, jsp, server)</li>
<li>enterprise application (jpa/ejb)</li>
<li>soa, webservices</li>
<li>adopters/extending (maybe)</li>
</ol>
<p>Naci updated us today: Publisher would like all articles in one issue (for an issued focused on WTP). Online
version would be in English. Print version would be translated to German. They'd like one overview article less than
20,000 words, and 4 shorter, but more focused article on specific areas, each less than 10,000 words</p>
<p>Naci will have some Eductation site/materials ready next week.</p>
<p>New Bugzilla component created: "Education".</p>
<p>We will publish education materials under <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/">Creative
Commons -- Attribution Share Alike</a> but still EPL for sample code, examples and snippets.</p>
<h4>Reference</h4>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP Education Lead</a></li>
</ul>
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Requirements
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<h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
<p>Raghu noted we should remind PLs to update plans every milestone.</p>
<p><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_3.1_Project_Plan">Planning Process Document</a> has been started.</p>
<p>Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a <a
href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg01422.html">Planning Council message</a>
(and elsewhere).</p>
<p>Discussed options for including milestone dates and common info in project milestone plans vs linking to the overall WTP plan.</p>
<hr />
<h4>Reference</h4>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
</ul>
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Planning
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<h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
<h4>long term items to track</h4>
<ul>
<li>XUL Runner IP nearing completion</li>
</ul>
<h4>Reference</h4>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP Planning Role</a></li>
<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Patches_for_Release_2.0.2">patch process document</a></li>
</ul>
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Quality
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<h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
<dl>
<dt>Notes:</dt>
<dd>See previous notes for statistics.
<p>It is be important for us to do by 'sub-project' to compare within our own WTP projects, as well as to other
top level ones</p>
</dd>
<dd>Neil investigating "close old bugs" policy.</dd>
<dd>Neil has estimated approximately 800 bugs (of 2000 untargeted bugs) could be considered "old bugs". He'll
prepare a table and note to send to project with encouragement to PLs to handle ... something like either triage
individually and assign a target, or mark with 'helpwanted' or mark in mass with a kind comment to re-open if still
an issue (with reason for the mass update, etc.).</dd>
</dl>
<h4>Reference:</h4>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP Quality Lead</a></li>
<li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality Page</a></li>
</ul>
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User Experience
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<h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
<ul>
<li>Had <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/JavaEE_Perspective_UIWG_Walkthrough">UI Walkthrough</a></li>
<li>Started collecting <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/JavaEE_Perspective_Usage_Screenshots">usage data</a></li>
</ul>
<h4>References</h4>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP User Experience Lead</a></li>
</ul>
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General business
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<h2>General business?</h2>
<h3>bugs to watch</h3>
<ul>
<li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Discussed need for <a
href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=152461">bug 152461</a></li>
<li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a
href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245645">bug 245645</a></li>
<li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a
href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245573">bug 245573</a></li>
</ul>
<h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
<ul>
<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA Tools</a></li>
<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT Texo project proposal</a></li>
<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven Integration</a></li>
</ul>
<h2>PMC Calendar</h2>
<ul>
<li style="text-decoration: line-through;"><a href="http://www.eclipseworld.net/">Eclipse World</a><br />
Raghu, Naci, and Neil have submitted.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/summiteurope2008/">Eclipse European Summit</a>. <br />
Kaloyan "wtp project" <br />
Naci will attend but (probably) not present. <br />
Cameron is attending and presenting JSF.</li>
<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2009/">EclipseCon 2009</a>. September we'll start recruiting talks.</li>
</ul>
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<p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
<p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
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