development/meetingnotes/20041014.txt

jst server development meeting notes

This file, while dated 20041014 actually covers a number of meeting
over the last several weeks.


20040819 Meeting notes

	Task: (?) someone should try doing "local build" following
	Naci's instructions, make sure it works ok, and give feedback
	on directions

	Task: (Gorkem) add unit tests (even if just a few simple onces
	that show class can be instantiated (and therefore plugin
	loaded).

	Task: (?) need to incorporate Elipse base "performance unit
	tests framework" to have regular performance data

20040916 Meeting notes

	Jim des Rivieres presented "how to make platform quality code
	101". (that can have a long life, etc).
	his presentation under miscdocuments directory, WTP Server Core APIs.ppt.

	He emphasized difference between API and SPI ... which is not
	well deliniated in current code.


	Later, referred to these web references.
	Some other API-related resources:


	http://www.eclipse.org/articles/Article-API%20use/eclipse-api-usage-rules.html

	http://eclipse.org/eclipse/development/java-api-evolution.html

	http://dev.eclipse.org/naming.html


20040923

	Jim continued his presentation.
	For server core apis, it would seem more "SPI" would be
	extension points (and their required interfaces).

	When asked about what type of documentation is good examples
	of what we should produce, Jim mentioned two levels.

	First, they type of overview, such as that which exists in the
	Eclipse platforms Developers Guide

	Second, java doc: especially recommended core.resources and
	relationship to team.
		also mentioned jdt.core as good example of java doc.

	Task: (?) "developers guide" writeup for server provider and
	server clients




	Jim asked about JSR's 88 and 77. Its' believed 77 is already
	in JSK 1.4?
	No one knew enough to know implications (if they were things
	we should re-use, or things we had to be compliant with).
	Naci aggreed to study JSR 77 more

	Task: (Naci) JSR 77 -- what its it, what's implications for
	us?

	Task: (?) JSR 88 -- what is it and what's implications for us?

	Task?: (?) JMX was mentioned too (but I didn't get what was
	said).

	Naci mentioned something about difference between 'deploy' and
	'publish' though I didn't get what it was (here in my notes),
	Probably because I was rememering how this has been confusing
	in the past with customers who think we provide a formal
	deployment
	system (managing version dependancies, groups of uesrs, etc.)
	for large IT shops.

20040924

	Short meeting, We had connection trouble, so Naci and Gorkem
	could not present as planned.

	Marshall Culpepper from jboss.org joined call (on Dallas
	Time).
	Task (Marshall Culpepper) provide a JBoss adapter similar to
	how we have provided tomcat adapters.

	Tim mentioned lots of conversations with Darin Wright on
	improving launch support, so, for example, can have other
	launch preferences,
	a launched page history,
	I opened feature request
	https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=75762 to "hold"
	this area of work, though
	we will need to be more specific with what we want/need.


20041007


	short meeting, Naci and Gorkem couldn't join.

	It was announced, though, that Arthur is having a face-face
	meeting in Toronto with Tim De Boer, Jim des Rivieres, and
	others from Toronto, in order to make faster progress in
	designs and making "platform quality apis".


20041014

	Gorkem and Naci gave some demo's of "Lomboz-like" generic
	server support.
	they had 3 .server files for jboss, jonas, and something else
	I don't recall.

	The immediate feedback in the meeting was

		1) why couldn't the XML files be "moved" to the
		extension point model and be part of a plugin?
		2) even if that was undesirable for some cases/needs,
		there needs to be an "import" function that reads
		the file from one place on disk (or internet!?) and
		places them in metadirectory?, instead of user having
		to
		manually copying a file to the right place.


	Arthur wondered if this framework was generic enough to be
	used for a data base server (apache derby) to "publish" stored
	procedure calls.
	Naci responded that currently there was actually some J2EE
	specific  stuff in there now, but in general could be made
	more generic.

	Naci had some UML diagrams he started to present before we ran
	out of time.
	[Naci perhaps you could please put those in miscdocuments, 
	so we can read/study before next meeting].

	It quickly became apparent that we could not talk about
	'server tools' design too much further, without addressing
	the 'flexible project' design, so everyone wanted to start
	focusing on that in weeks to come.

	After the call, in chat with Jim we decided before we jump
	right into project support, that we come up with and agree on
	some use-cases that have been implicit in this discussions. That
	way we can assign priorities to implementing/testing the use
	cases. This is critical so that we maintain focus and maintain the
	right scope of the design and the API. We discussed how it
	would be desireable to have the use-cases ironed out before the 10/25
	"focused design meeting".

	Task: (david) create initial rough draft of use cases