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| <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for Septermber 07, 2010 Conference Call</h1> |
| <h2>Call Info</h2> |
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| <h2>Attendees</h2> |
| <h3>PMC Members</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David |
| Williams: Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: N</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan |
| Srinivasan: Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge: |
| Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer: |
| Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan |
| Raev: Y</li> |
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| <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2> |
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| <li><a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.2.2/pmc-bug-approval.php">PMC |
| Review Approvals?</a></li> |
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| <li>Discuss OSGi EE application proposal |
| <p style="text-indent: 5em; font-style: italic;">Advised to leave |
| Aries and Virgo out of the proposal completely. That avoids "no-spec" |
| issue (at least for now). (There was even some questions asked if Virgo |
| "violates" OSGi spec, if I heard that right?). It was mentioned that it |
| is possible to develop some types of applications with OSGi bundles |
| only (no "metadata" required). So might be some merit to no-app-model |
| tools. But, otheres mentioned it's like having a webapp without an EAR |
| ... not as much control/reuse? Also, there was some that questioned how |
| much "end user" tools there could be with OSGi only apps. Might turn |
| out to be mostly framework for adopters?</p> |
| <p style="text-indent: 5em; font-style: italic;">In this context, |
| we discussed what we'd want to change about charter, especially the |
| part that's so specific about "specs". While we agree its over |
| limiting, should we remove it completely? Have some modified (looser) |
| form? How else to state "widely used, industry accepted enterprise |
| frameworks, that fit well with the rest of WTP." Does the charter <strong>obligate</strong> |
| us to accept "anything that technically fits the wording", or is it |
| always PMC's descretion? Fairly sure there's no "obligation", but we'd |
| need to know what guidence and expectations to provide to others, and |
| avoid apparences of some sort of arbitrary favoritism. Most important, |
| it was discussed, it would be best to consider any charter changes |
| independent of any particular project proposal, though some would be |
| "in mind" perhaps as "hypothetical examples" to discuss.</p> |
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| <h3>Future Agenda items</h3> |
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| <li>Retrospect Helios quick maintenance release. Does it mean we |
| weren't ready to release? Any way to improve timing in future?</li> |
| <li>Disuss our model and assignments of "PMC Roles". Do they still |
| make sense?</li> |
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| <h3>References</h3> |
| <ul> |
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| <li><a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_32">Continuous |
| Improvement Notes</a></li> |
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