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<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for October 27, 2009 Conference Call</h1>
<h2>Call Info</h2>
<p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
Access code: 173098# <br />
<a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full
list of phone numbers</a><br />
<br />
<a
	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
&amp;month=20
&amp;day=20
&amp;year=2009
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Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>

<h2>Attendees</h2>
<h3>PMC Members</h3>
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	<li class="compact">Naci Dai: N</li>
	<li class="compact">Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
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	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David
	Williams: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: R</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan
	Srinivasan: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge:
	Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer:
	Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan
	Raev: R</li>
</ul>

<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
<ul>
	<li>Naci provided these links to English versions of EclipseZine
	articles:<br />
	<a href="http://jaxenter.com/">http://jaxenter.com/</a><br />
	<a
		href="http://jaxenter.com/articles/09/Eclipse-Web-Tools-Platform-Uncovered.html">Eclipse-Web-Tools-Platform-Uncovered</a>
	</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/summiteurope2009/">Eclipse
	Summit Europe</a> taking place this week.</li>
	<li>JSF: Is bug <a
		href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=293211">293211</a>
	a reasonable 'hotbug' request? Bug <a
		href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=292939">292939</a>?
	<p>Raghu thought fine to discuss and bring forward. He rightly
	emphasized importance of doing JUnit tests. He said he could not get to
	it until next week.</p>
	</li>
	<li>Dali Off cycle release.
	<ul>
		<li>PMC gave its "pre approval", in principle, pending the actual
		materials, etc.</li>
		<li>It was concluded it would be best to "wait as long as
		possible" before announcing the formal review, just in case spec
		changes content or release date. But things within the project
		could/should proceed as it it would be around Dec. 18th.</li>
		<li>The issue of "how to version features" was discussed, such as
		difference between the version number needed for proper install and
		updates, and the more commonly known "marketing number". In this
		off-cycle release, Dali deserves "3.0" as marketing number, since JPA
		2.0 is a significant step forward in functionality. But, at the same
		time, there is no "breaking API".</li>
	</ul>
	</li>

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	<li>Discuss project metrics?
	<p>It was agreed this was worth the PMC looking at, from time to
	time.</p>
	<p>Will explore <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/org/usagedata/">UDC
	Data</a>, in addition to fix rates, lines of code, cvs commits, number of
	junits?</p>
	<p>See <a
		href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/reports/Editors200907.pdf">Report
	on Editor usage in July, 2009</a></p>
	</li>
	
	<li>Review Post Mortem? See <a
		href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31</a>.
	<br />
	Biggest, most immediate concern was large number of intermittent
	failing builds/tests.
	<p>Notes: next steps: open bugs for good ideas that have some
	chance of someone implementing.</p>
	</li>
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</ul>


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<h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
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    Requirements

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<h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
<p>?</p>
<h4>Reference</h4>
<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP
	Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
</ul>
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    Planning
 
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<h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
<ul>
	<li>?</li>
</ul>
<h4>Reference</h4>
<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP
	Planning Role</a></li>
</ul>
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    User Experience

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<h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
<ul>
	<li>?</li>
</ul>
<h4>References</h4>
<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP
	User Experience Lead</a></li>
</ul>
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    Quality

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<h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
<ul>
	<li>?</li>
</ul>
<h4>Reference:</h4>
<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP
	Quality Lead</a></li>
	<li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality
	Page</a></li>
</ul>
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    Architecture

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<h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
<ul>
	<li>
	<p>?</p>
	</li>
</ul>
<h4>Reference</h4>
<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP
	Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
	<li>Tracking meetings and work at <a
		href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
	Architecture Working Group</a></li>
</ul>
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    Education

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<h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
<p>?</p>
<h4>Reference</h4>
<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP
	Education Lead</a></li>
	<li>Reference: <a
		href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/">Community and
	Education</a></li>
</ul>
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General business

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<h2>General business?</h2>
<h3>References</h3>
<ul>
	<li>FYI ... Eclipse Foundation has a relatively new <a
		href="http://www.eclipse.org/home/categories/index.php?category=enterprise">"enterprise
	page"</a>.</li>
	<li><a
		href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools">WTP
	3.2 Plans</a></li>
</ul>
<h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
<ul>
	<li>WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted:
	<ul>
		<li>Index search for Java EE metadata. See <a
			href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233505">bug
		233505</a></li>
		<li>Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See <a
			href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265952">bug
		265952</a></li>
	</ul>
	</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA
	Tools</a></li>
	<li><a
		href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT
	Texo project proposal</a></li>
	<li><a
		href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven
	Integration</a></li>
</ul>
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<p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
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