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| <h1> Eclipse Planning Council Minutes</h1> |
| <p>October 11, Esslingen, Germany</p> |
| <table border="0"> |
| <tbody><tr> |
| <td align="center" bgcolor="#cccccc" valign="top"><b>Present</b></td> |
| <td align="center" valign="top"><b> </b></td> |
| <td align="center" bgcolor="#cccccc" valign="top"><b>Regrets</b></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">Sri Doddapaneni, Intel, TPTP</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"><i>no data</i></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">Doug Schaefer, QNX, Tools</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">Stefan Daume, Scapa</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">Bjorn Freeman-Benson, Eclipse</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">Doug Gaff, Wind River, DSDP</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">John Graham, Sybase, DTP</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">Rich Gronback, Borland</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">John Kellerman, IBM, Platform</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">Mika Hoikkala, Nokia</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">Yossi Leon, Zend</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">Wenfeng Li, Actuate, BIRT</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">Ed Merks, IBM, Modeling</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">Paul Styles, Compuware</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">Tim Wagner, BEA, WTP</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">David Williams, IBM</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| </tr> |
| <tr> |
| <td valign="top" align="left">Oisin Hurley, IONA, STP</td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| <td valign="top" align="center"></td> |
| </tr> |
| </tbody></table> |
| <h2>Minutes / Discussion Items</h2> |
| <p><i> (these notes are in logical rather than |
| chronological order)</i></p> |
| <h3>Public Mailing List Archives</h3> |
| <p>The Planning Council agrees that the eclipse.org-planning-council@eclipse.org |
| mailing list should be archived and the archives open to the public.</p> |
| <h3>New Development Process</h3> |
| <p>Everyone on the Council is reminded to read and comment on the <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Development_Process_2006_Revision">new |
| development process wiki page</a>.</p> |
| <h3>Build Workshop Report</h3> |
| <p>The Planning Council was pleased with the outcome of the <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Europa_Build_Workshop_Report">Europa |
| Build Workshop</a>. It was suggested that we might want to hold more of this |
| kind of workshop in the future. Bjorn pointed to the CPAN community testing |
| infrastructure as possible next workshop; others likened it to SETI@HOME for |
| Eclipse testing.</p> |
| <p>The Planning Council would also be pleased to see an Eclipse project to |
| provide a formal home for some of these build tools as long as that project is |
| not "the Platform releng team supporting everyone else". A project for |
| cross-project build (and other) infrastructure would be useful.</p> |
| <p><u><b><font color="#800080">ACTION</font></b></u>: [Bjorn FB] Suggest a next |
| workshop to the Council.</p> |
| <h3>Next Simultaneous Release Name</h3> |
| <p>At Bjorn's suggestion, in order to avoid the chaos that he always seems to |
| invoke around choosing a name, Tim suggests that we consider Io as next year's |
| name. There was general nodding around the table.</p> |
| <h3>UI Best Practices Working Group Report</h3> |
| <p>This report was somewhat hampered by the fact that it was delivered in |
| written form rather than in person. Thus when the council had questions, there |
| was nobody who could really answer them. The biggest problem was that we were |
| unsure what the implications were; we didn't want to mandate an unknown set of |
| requirements. We were also worried that a release review check was too late in |
| the process to affect change in this release - at best it could generate bugs |
| for the next release.</p> |
| <p>Another issue we discussed is "what is usability?" The discussion |
| centered around the fact that real usability is not the usual red flag items |
| (duplicate menu items, ugly icons, etc), but more the lack of integration and |
| lack of features. We felt that perhaps the UI Best Practices were aiming at the |
| surface problems and not the deeper usability problems.</p> |
| <p>A third problem is that most projects do not have a "UI Lead" and |
| since the UI Best Practices talked about a UI Lead, we were not sure how that |
| was going to work.</p> |
| <p>We recommend the following to the working group:</p> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Focus on the Europa milestones. Review each milestone and provide feedback |
| as we go. For example, the top ten UI glitches per milestone. <i>Input |
| instead of meta-input.</i></li> |
| <li>Attend the next planning council conference call to provide a report in |
| person.</li> |
| </ul> |
| <p><u><b><font color="#800080">ACTION</font></b></u>: [UI Best Practices Group] |
| Attend next conference call.</p> |
| <h3>Europa Planning</h3> |
| <p><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Europa_Simultaneous_Release">Europa</a> |
| is the simultaneous release of a number of projects plus some update manager |
| improvements plus (perhaps) adopting some of the UI Best Practices. </p> |
| <p><u><b><font color="#800080">ACTION</font></b></u>: [All] Read, comment on, |
| and be prepared to discuss the rules for inclusion in Europa as posted on the |
| wiki.</p> |
| <p>A few other notes:</p> |
| <ul> |
| <li>We need a package management working group. <i>Bjorn's notes are not clear |
| on what this is.</i></li> |
| <li>After Europa, perhaps do some usability studies in anticipation of Io |
| planning.</li> |
| </ul> |
| <p>We need a central coordinator. David filled that role for Callisto but is |
| unable (and should not be asked) to do so again for Europa. The call for |
| volunteers from the Planning Council was met with a telling silence. The Council |
| believes that this a role that should be staffed by the Foundation.</p> |
| <p><u><b><font color="#800080">ACTION</font></b></u>: [Bjorn FB] Pass this |
| request for an EMO-staffed central coordinator on to Mike.</p> |
| <h3>Wiki</h3> |
| <p>As a side note, people asked for instructions on how to upload non-image |
| files to the wiki.</p> |
| <ol> |
| <li>Click on the "Upload file" link on the left menu; follow the |
| instructions to upload the file.</li> |
| <li>During that process, you will specific that the file is named Foo.doc (or |
| something).</li> |
| <li>Go to your wiki page and enter text referring to that file and the URL to |
| that file. For example: "Here is the document I wrote about how to |
| upload files [https://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Image:Foo.doc]."</li> |
| </ol> |
| <p>More and more of the project web pages are being moved to the wiki. The one |
| thing that is stopping us from more pages on the wiki is dynamic content |
| support.</p> |
| <p><u><b><font color="#800080">ACTION</font></b></u>: [Bjorn FB] Enter a bug to |
| allow dynamic content in the wiki.</p> |
| <h3>Europa Milestone Dates</h3> |
| <p>Will we finalize the dates during our next conference call. We plan to |
| dynamically reduce the +1/+2 schedules as much as possible - as soon as the |
| builds are completed and tested, the milestone will be marked complete.</p> |
| <p><u><b><font color="#800080">ACTION</font></b></u>: [Kevin H] Confirm that the |
| <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Europa_Simultaneous_Release#Milestones_and_Release_Candidates">wiki |
| milestone dates</a> work for the Platform.</p> |
| <h3>Planning Calls</h3> |
| <p>Calls will be Wednesdays, 7am PT, 10 ET, 4pm CET, 5pm IT. The schedule of the |
| calls is posted on <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Europa_Simultaneous_Release">the |
| wiki page</a>.</p> |
| <p><i>Notes taken and posted by Bjorn Freeman-Benson</i></p> |
| </div> |
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