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| <h1>Callisto M5 Status Call (March 3, 2006)</h1> |
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| <td align="center" bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><b>Attending</b></td> |
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| <td align="center" bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><b>Late</b></td> |
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| <td align="center" bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><b>Regrets</b></td> |
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| <td align="center" bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><b>Missing</b></td> |
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| <td>Bjorn Freeman-Benson</td> |
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| <td>David Orm (VE)</td> |
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| <td>Sri Doddapaneni</td> |
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| <td>John Duimovich</td> |
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| <td>Dave Steinberg (EMF)</td> |
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| <td>David Williams</td> |
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| <td>Doug Gaff</td> |
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| <td>Doug Schaefer (CDT)</td> |
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| <td>John Graham (DTP)</td> |
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| <td>Kevin Haaland (Platform)</td> |
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| <td>Rich Gronback (GMF)</td> |
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| <td>Scott Lewis</td> |
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| <td>Steve Shaw (GEF)</td> |
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| <td>Tim Wagner (WTP)</td> |
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| <td>Tyler Thessin (TPTP)</td> |
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| <td>Ward Cunningham</td> |
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| <td>Wenfeng Li (BIRT)</td> |
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| <h2>Action Items From Last Week</h2> |
| <p>We didn't discuss these items, so they carry forward another week.</p> |
| <p>ACTION ITEM [David] - will get the Callisto update site(s) in multiple |
| schemes done today.</p> |
| <p>ACTION ITEM [David] - post URLs for the update site (multiple schemes) before |
| Monday morning (and send email to the mailing list)</p> |
| <p>ACTION ITEM [Richard] - <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/callisto.php?key=2006.02.24"> will update the wiki page with instructions</a></p> |
| <h2>Apology from Bjorn</h2> |
| <p>In return, the team asks for lots of free beer at EclipseCon.</p> |
| <h2>Status By Project</h2> |
| <ul> |
| <li>BIRT |
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| <li>Milestone build waiting for PMC to vote and then it will be go.</li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| <li>GMF |
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| <li>M5 is building all day; will be posted by the end of the day.</li> |
| </ul> |
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| <li>TPTP |
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| <li>Confirming that the last build is ready to go; have update site ready; |
| hoping that it will all work by noon</li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| <li>WTP |
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| <li>S build transfering to update manager</li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| </ul> |
| <h2>Update Site</h2> |
| <p>David talks about update site. Platform doesn't believe that a separate update site for each file |
| can be reliable enough for this release. So we have to copy the Callisto files to a single directory |
| on the server. One update site that physically, on the eclipse.org server, has all the feature |
| jars for all the Callisto projects. Each project should still have your own update sites.</p> |
| <p>Rich then explains about a nifty command line PDE feature that none of us |
| knew about (see Help > References > Plug-in Guide > Additional Information > Command Line Interface to Update Manager) |
| that can be used (by David) to take our existing Callisto site.xml with |
| references to all the separate update site jars and then "cache" it |
| all into a new single Callisto update site. This will automatically do what |
| David was thinking of doing by hand. Great!</p> |
| <p>David's status: waiting to hear from the four teams. Will look into the mirror command. |
| Target is that M5 Callisto will be GA approximately Tuesday because we want to make sure that all |
| projects get a chance to test it first. Target is Monday for this mailing list.</p> |
| <h2>Installer</h2> |
| <p>David introduces the idea of a Callisto installer. A small RCP application |
| that installs the basic Platform and opens the update manager pointing to the |
| Callisto update site. "Making it easy for volunteers to help". |
| "A benefit of Callisto is the common download." Everyone on the call will go back to their Board member and re-report back next |
| Friday as to whether the Board thinks that this (a small, but slick, installer) is a good idea. Tim (WTP) and Wenfeng |
| (BIRT) discuss the wild popularity of their existing all-in-one downloads.</p> |
| <blockquote>Subsequent clarification from David: my suggestion for "Callisto Installer" was to be a much less ambitious thing than Yoxos ... maybe "installer" is even the wrong word ... I was thinking of more an RCP app that would be smaller than the Platform feature (30 Megs) and give some user-friendly, automatic "lead in" to the update manager, I would see this Callisto "quickly get started miniature update manager"? to be like a "use once" app, and then future installs, removals, configuration management, etc., to be handled "as usual" by Update Manager or other tools.</blockquote> |
| <p>ACTION ITEM [All] - Report back from Board member conversations.</p> |
| <h2>Best Callisto Bugs Contest</h2> |
| <p>Ward talks about the best bug contest. Questions about "does it have to be Callisto only or more general?" |
| and "are committers eligible?" We conclude that rewarding WTP |
| developers for filing WTP bugs is not what this is about, but rewarding WTP |
| developers for filing great cross-project bugs, say against TPTP, is (a subset |
| of) what this is about. Non-committers are, of course, also eligible. </p> |
| <p>Tim and Ward have suggestions for providing suggestions to people about how |
| to test; scenarios for cross-project testing; installation issues; what it is in |
| particular that we are looking for. A wiki page will be started (by Ward) about |
| how testing is going; with suggestions for areas that need more work; here's an |
| area that looks like a fruitful place for more bugs; etc.</p> |
| <p>We considered five different ways for developers to signal great bugs to the |
| PMCs:</p> |
| <ol> |
| <li>email to PMC lead</li> |
| <li>a second bug (a nomination) for each nomination</li> |
| <li> nomination bug; add each new nomimation as comment</li> |
| <li>nomination bug via a "depends on" reference</li> |
| <li>a keyword</li> |
| </ol> |
| <p>We decided that a keyword would be the best idea - queries would be easy and |
| the leads are already overwhelmed with email.</p> |
| <p>ACTION ITEM [Bjorn, Ward] - finish off the instructions and webpage for this |
| contest</p> |
| <h2>EclipseCon Meeting</h2> |
| <p>The Planning Council will meet at EclipseCon on Sunday from 6pm-8pm. Some |
| sort of food will be provided.</p> |
| <p><font size=-1><i>Minutes posted by Bjorn Freeman-Benson March 5, 2006.</i></font></p> |
