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| <h1>Callisto M5 Status Call (March 10, 2006)</h1> |
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| <td align="center" bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><b>Attending</b></td> |
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| <td align="center" bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><b>Late</b></td> |
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| <td align="center" bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><b>Regrets</b></td> |
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| <td align="center" bgcolor="#CCCCCC"><b>Missing</b></td> |
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| <td>Bjorn Freeman-Benson</td> |
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| <td>Doug Schaefer (CDT)</td> |
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| <td>Doug Gaff</td> |
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| <td>John Duimovich</td> |
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| <td>Dave Steinberg (EMF)</td> |
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| <td>John Graham (DTP)</td> |
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| <td>Tyler Thessin</td> |
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| <td>David Orm (VE)</td> |
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| <td>David Williams</td> |
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| <td>Sri Doddapaneni (TPTP)</td> |
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| <td>Ward Cunningham</td> |
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| <td>Ed Merks</td> |
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| <td>Wenfeng Li (BIRT)</td> |
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| <td>Kevin Haaland (Platform)</td> |
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| <td>Pascal Rapicault</td> |
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| <td>Paul Styles</td> |
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| <td>Rich Gronback (GMF)</td> |
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| <td>Tim Wagner (WTP)</td> |
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| <td>Steve Shaw (GEF)</td> |
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| <h2>Action Items From Last Week</h2> |
| <p>ACTION ITEM [Bjorn, Ward] - finish off the instructions and webpage for this |
| contest <i>- completed <a href="/projects/callisto-files/callisto-bug-contest.php">here</a></i></p> |
| <p>ACTION ITEM [All] - Report back from Board member conversations. - <i>reports |
| so far are all positive (i.e., they have no problem with a Callisto installer-lite) |
| and from Actuate, BEA, Intel, and Sybase. (Bjorn asks: did I miss anyone?)</i></p> |
| <p>ACTION ITEM [Richard] - update wiki with instructions - <i>completed <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Callisto_Build_and_Update_Tips_and_Tricks">here</a></i></p> |
| <h2>M5 Stable Enough To Declare</h2> |
| <p>The team agreed that Callisto M5 and the update manager process is |
| "stable enough so that early adopters can help with testing and finding the |
| worst problems". We are still concerned with the update manager's ability |
| to handle this kind of load and we are concerned with the infrastructure's |
| ability to handle this kind of load. The update manager introduces additional |
| traffic on the infrastructure due to the fact that it doesn't just download |
| everything in a single blob: more round trips in tradeoff for (if not everyone |
| installs all the features) potentially few bytes. Given that infrastructure |
| caused us over a week of grief with 403 errors, how will it stand up to the load |
| when our larger community starts downloading?</p> |
| <p>ACTION ITEM [Bjorn] - announce Callisto M5 to foundation newsgroup, dev lists |
| of each of the ten projects, blog.</p> |
| <h2>Callisto CVS Components</h2> |
| <p>David suggested, and everyone agreed, that we should have a Callisto CVS |
| component for storing the rel-eng type files and scripts that he's been |
| building. Easily said and done, it now exists here: /cvsroot/callisto</p> |
| <h2>After Callisto - Integration?</h2> |
| <p>We discussed whether we should have a single Callisto update site for |
| maintenance releases. The real question is whether we want to commit to |
| maintaining synchronized releases, i.e., synchronized maintenance releases, |
| after Callisto. We made a number of decisions:</p> |
| <ul> |
| <li>We are going to do this (simultaneous release) once and then look back and |
| see how well it worked and whether we want to do it again.</li> |
| <li>We are not going to change the Callisto update site after it has been |
| released (gone golden).</li> |
| <li>We are planning to try to synchronize our point releases, but we are not |
| guaranteeing to do so or guaranteeing a particular schedule.</li> |
| <li>We won't take any steps that would preclude ourselves from doing |
| synchronized maintenance releases in the future. |
| <ul> |
| <li>If project X is using internal APIs of project Y, then project X needs |
| to define dependencies on the exact versions of the project Y plug-ins |
| so that any maintenance releases of project Y do not break project X.</li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| </ul> |
| <h2>Installer</h2> |
| <p>Everyone seems ok with this, but we concluded that we would see how well the |
| update manager worked before we allocated any effort to building an installer. |
| Another option we talked about it (if the update manager fails) is to create a |
| giant zip of all the files.</p> |
| <h2>Daryl Taft</h2> |
| <p>Daryl Taft has proposed listening in to all our calls and writing an article |
| about how we built Callisto for publication around the Callisto main release. |
| While we all got a bit shy about our words coming back to haunt us, we |
| acknowledged that we are open source and try to be open in everything we do and |
| so we said ok.</p> |
| <h2>RC0 Process</h2> |
| <p>We started talking about each project's plans and risks for RC0, but decided |
| to postpone until the face-to-face next week:</p> |
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| <li>What sort of ramp down policy is in effect?</li> |
| <li>What bugs are being worked on?</li> |
| <li>What cross-project testing commitments are being made?</li> |
| <li>What risks are there for the RC0 dates?</li> |
| </ol> |
| <h2>EclipseCon Meeting</h2> |
| <p>The Planning Council will meet at EclipseCon on Sunday from 6pm-8pm. Some |
| sort of food will be provided.</p> |
| <p><font size=-1><i>Minutes posted by Bjorn Freeman-Benson March 11, 2006.</i></font></p> |
