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 <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for September 23, 2008 Conference Call</h1>
 <h2>Call Info</h2>
 <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
 Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
 Access code: 269746# <br />
 <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full list of phone numbers</a><br />
 <br />
 <a
     href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
 &amp;month=10
 &amp;day=16
 &amp;year=2007
 &amp;hour=11
 &amp;min=0&amp;sec=0&amp;p1=207">Call
 Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>
 <!--
 <h2>Attendees</h2>
 <h3>PMC Members</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>David Williams: Y</li>
     <li>Naci Dai: N</li>
     <li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
     <li>Neil Hauge: Y</li>
     <li>Tim deBoer: Y</li>
     <li>Kaloyan Raev Y</li>
 </ul>
  -->
 <!--
 <h3>Invited Guests</h3>
 <ul>
 <li>Philippe Ombredanne (ATF): N</li>
 </ul>
 -->
 <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
 <h3>Notes from 9/17 Board Review</h3>
 <p>Not much feedback, on <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/BoardReviews/2008/WTPReview2008.pdf">document</a>
 nor WTP in general. Thirty minutes is a very short time. But, on specific items:</p>
 <ul>
     <li>Yes, we can "favor" Eclipse runtime projects without violating vendor neutrality (but need care not to
     interfere with adopters)</li>
     <li>"standards only" clause was added just as a way to more narrowly define the scope ... some of the previous
     drafts sounded like "any thing goes". The board would be open to a revised charter ... and that topic, and others,
     would be discussed in the context of that charter-revision process.</li>
     <li>On input to marketing survey: noted, but there will be no marketing survey this year (no one wanted to pay
     for it, apparently).</li>
 </ul>
 <h3>WTP 3.0.2 Ship?</h3>
 <p>Any objections?</p>
 <h3>WTP 3.0.3?</h3>
 <p>Any thoughts on proposed schedule? Counter proposals?</p>
 <ul>
     <li>10/24 RC1 (i.e. PMC review starts)</li>
     <li>10/31 RC2</li>
     <li>11/7 RC3</li>
     <li>11/14 3.0.3 Release</li>
 </ul>
 <p>How to state theme? Pre-PMC Review? "Bug fixes only as reviewed and approved by Project Lead (or delegate)"</p>
 <h3>Old Business</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>Dali 2.1
     <p>We discussed (some) the Dai 2.1 plan. Neil agreed that 2.0.x maintenance would continue for serious bugs if
     required. He also agreed the 2.1 plan needs a "ramp down" period added. We also need to come up with a build
     component/process that produces a separate zip (and would have different prereqs, at some point). Neil will open bug
     to track. REMINDER: Dali 2.1 will require a release review.</p>
     </li>
     <li>Wed. vs. Fri.
     <p>We also discussed the general problem of us hitting "Wednesday deliveries". The Simultaneous Release team
     (Planning Council) wants narrow delivery windows but it does mess up our rhythm).</p>
     </li>
 </ul>
 <h3>A word on potential contribution to WTP</h3>
 <p>webservices</p>
 <h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
 <!-- Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top -->
 <h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>M2 (this week!)</li>
     <li>?Pre 1.0 release of ATF component mid October?</li>
     <li>JPT 2.1 (need release review)</li>
     <li>2009, Galileo Release</li>
 </ul>
 <!--
 <dl>
     <dt>Notes:</dt>
     <dd>Reminder to be sure to check for <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.0.1/pmc-bug-approval.php">"PMC
     Review" bugs</a>.</dd>
     <dd>Reminded to be consistent in approving defects (such as getting project lead review, documenting "stop
     ship" need, etc.</dd>
 </dl>
  -->
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP Planning Role</a></li>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Patches_for_Release_2.0.2">patch process document</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
 <dl>
     <dt>Notes:</dt>
     <dd>Neil investigating "close old bugs" policy.</dd>
     <dd>Neil has estimated approximately 800 bugs (of 2000 untargeted bugs) could be considered "old bugs". He'll
     prepare a table and note to send to project with encouragement to PLs to handle ... something like either triage
     individually and assign a target, or mark with 'helpwanted' or mark in mass with a kind comment to re-open if still
     an issue (with reason for the mass update, etc.).</dd>
 </dl>
 <h4>Reference:</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP Quality Lead</a></li>
     <li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality Page</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
 <ul>
     <li></li>
 </ul>
 <h4>References</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP User Experience Lead</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
 <ul>
     <li></li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
     <li>Tracking meetings and work at <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
     Architecture Working Group</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
 <p><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_3.1_Project_Plan">Planning Process Document</a> has been started.</p>
 <p>Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a <a
     href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg01422.html">Planning Council message</a>
 (and elsewhere).</p>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
 <p>Please review: <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/resources/">Resource Page Proposal</a></p>
 <p>Naci was approached (and countered) with some proposed articles for Eclipse (online) magazine [need link. only
 one I found last published in 2007?] Naci will invite authors for a series of articles for "WTP Uncovered":</p>
 <ol>
     <li>web developer tools (xml, xsl, html, css)</li>
     <li>web applications with Java (jsf, jsp, server)</li>
     <li>enterprise application (jpa/ejb)</li>
     <li>soa, webservices</li>
     <li>adopters/extending (maybe)</li>
 </ol>
 <p>Naci updated us today: Publisher would like all articles in one issue (for an issued focused on WTP). Online
 version would be in English. Print version would be translated to German. They'd like one overview article less than
 20,000 words, and 4 shorter, but more focused article on specific areas, each less than 10,000 words</p>
 <p>Naci will have some Eductation site/materials ready next week. He'll likely create a new bugzilla component
 ("Education"? I assume under the main Web Tools "product")</p>
 <p>As mentioned last week, we'll publish education materials under <a
     href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/">Creative Commons -- Attribution Share Alike</a> but still EPL
 for sample code, examples and snippets.</p>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP Education Lead</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h2>General business?</h2>
 <h3>bugs to watch</h3>
 <ul>
     <li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Discussed need for <a
         href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=152461">bug 152461</a></li>
     <li>
     <div style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a
         href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245645">bug 245645</a></div>
     </li>
     <li>Also need to watch <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245573">bug 245573</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA Tools</a></li>
     <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT Texo project proposal</a></li>
     <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven Integration</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h2>PMC Calendar</h2>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://www.eclipseworld.net/">Eclipse World</a><br />
     Raghu and Neil have submitted.</li>
     <li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/summiteurope2008/">Eclipse European Summit</a>. <br />
     Kaloyan "wtp project" <br />
     Naci will attend but (probably) not present. <br />
     Neil has submitted for Dali (and Eclipse link) <br />
     Cameron and JSF</li>
     <li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2009/">EclipseCon 2009</a>. September we'll start recruiting talks.</li>
 </ul>
 <hr />
 <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
 <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
 </body>
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	<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for September 23, 2008 Conference Call</h1>
	<h2>Call Info</h2>
	<p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
	Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
	Access code: 269746# <br />
	<a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full list of phone numbers</a><br />
	<br />
	<a
	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
	&month=10
	&day=16
	&year=2007
	&hour=11
	&min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call
	Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>
	<!--
	<h2>Attendees</h2>
	<h3>PMC Members</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>David Williams: Y</li>
	<li>Naci Dai: N</li>
	<li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
	<li>Neil Hauge: Y</li>
	<li>Tim deBoer: Y</li>
	<li>Kaloyan Raev Y</li>
	</ul>
	-->
	<!--
	<h3>Invited Guests</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>Philippe Ombredanne (ATF): N</li>
	</ul>
	-->
	<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
	<h3>Notes from 9/17 Board Review</h3>
	<p>Not much feedback, on <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/BoardReviews/2008/WTPReview2008.pdf">document</a>
	nor WTP in general. Thirty minutes is a very short time. But, on specific items:</p>
	<ul>
	<li>Yes, we can "favor" Eclipse runtime projects without violating vendor neutrality (but need care not to
	interfere with adopters)</li>
	<li>"standards only" clause was added just as a way to more narrowly define the scope ... some of the previous
	drafts sounded like "any thing goes". The board would be open to a revised charter ... and that topic, and others,
	would be discussed in the context of that charter-revision process.</li>
	<li>On input to marketing survey: noted, but there will be no marketing survey this year (no one wanted to pay
	for it, apparently).</li>
	</ul>
	<h3>WTP 3.0.2 Ship?</h3>
	<p>Any objections?</p>
	<h3>WTP 3.0.3?</h3>
	<p>Any thoughts on proposed schedule? Counter proposals?</p>
	<ul>
	<li>10/24 RC1 (i.e. PMC review starts)</li>
	<li>10/31 RC2</li>
	<li>11/7 RC3</li>
	<li>11/14 3.0.3 Release</li>
	</ul>
	<p>How to state theme? Pre-PMC Review? "Bug fixes only as reviewed and approved by Project Lead (or delegate)"</p>
	<h3>Old Business</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>Dali 2.1
	<p>We discussed (some) the Dai 2.1 plan. Neil agreed that 2.0.x maintenance would continue for serious bugs if
	required. He also agreed the 2.1 plan needs a "ramp down" period added. We also need to come up with a build
	component/process that produces a separate zip (and would have different prereqs, at some point). Neil will open bug
	to track. REMINDER: Dali 2.1 will require a release review.</p>
	</li>
	<li>Wed. vs. Fri.
	<p>We also discussed the general problem of us hitting "Wednesday deliveries". The Simultaneous Release team
	(Planning Council) wants narrow delivery windows but it does mess up our rhythm).</p>
	</li>
	</ul>
	<h3>A word on potential contribution to WTP</h3>
	<p>webservices</p>
	<h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
	<!-- Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top -->
	<h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>M2 (this week!)</li>
	<li>?Pre 1.0 release of ATF component mid October?</li>
	<li>JPT 2.1 (need release review)</li>
	<li>2009, Galileo Release</li>
	</ul>
	<!--
	<dl>
	<dt>Notes:</dt>
	<dd>Reminder to be sure to check for <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.0.1/pmc-bug-approval.php">"PMC
	Review" bugs</a>.</dd>
	<dd>Reminded to be consistent in approving defects (such as getting project lead review, documenting "stop
	ship" need, etc.</dd>
	</dl>
	-->
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP Planning Role</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Patches_for_Release_2.0.2">patch process document</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
	<dl>
	<dt>Notes:</dt>
	<dd>Neil investigating "close old bugs" policy.</dd>
	<dd>Neil has estimated approximately 800 bugs (of 2000 untargeted bugs) could be considered "old bugs". He'll
	prepare a table and note to send to project with encouragement to PLs to handle ... something like either triage
	individually and assign a target, or mark with 'helpwanted' or mark in mass with a kind comment to re-open if still
	an issue (with reason for the mass update, etc.).</dd>
	</dl>
	<h4>Reference:</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP Quality Lead</a></li>
	<li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality Page</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
	<ul>
	<li></li>
	</ul>
	<h4>References</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP User Experience Lead</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
	<ul>
	<li></li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
	<li>Tracking meetings and work at <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
	Architecture Working Group</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
	<p><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_3.1_Project_Plan">Planning Process Document</a> has been started.</p>
	<p>Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a <a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg01422.html">Planning Council message</a>
	(and elsewhere).</p>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
	<p>Please review: <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/resources/">Resource Page Proposal</a></p>
	<p>Naci was approached (and countered) with some proposed articles for Eclipse (online) magazine [need link. only
	one I found last published in 2007?] Naci will invite authors for a series of articles for "WTP Uncovered":</p>
	<ol>
	<li>web developer tools (xml, xsl, html, css)</li>
	<li>web applications with Java (jsf, jsp, server)</li>
	<li>enterprise application (jpa/ejb)</li>
	<li>soa, webservices</li>
	<li>adopters/extending (maybe)</li>
	</ol>
	<p>Naci updated us today: Publisher would like all articles in one issue (for an issued focused on WTP). Online
	version would be in English. Print version would be translated to German. They'd like one overview article less than
	20,000 words, and 4 shorter, but more focused article on specific areas, each less than 10,000 words</p>
	<p>Naci will have some Eductation site/materials ready next week. He'll likely create a new bugzilla component
	("Education"? I assume under the main Web Tools "product")</p>
	<p>As mentioned last week, we'll publish education materials under <a
	href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/">Creative Commons -- Attribution Share Alike</a> but still EPL
	for sample code, examples and snippets.</p>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP Education Lead</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h2>General business?</h2>
	<h3>bugs to watch</h3>
	<ul>
	<li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Discussed need for <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=152461">bug 152461</a></li>
	<li>
	<div style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245645">bug 245645</a></div>
	</li>
	<li>Also need to watch <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245573">bug 245573</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA Tools</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT Texo project proposal</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven Integration</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h2>PMC Calendar</h2>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipseworld.net/">Eclipse World</a><br />
	Raghu and Neil have submitted.</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/summiteurope2008/">Eclipse European Summit</a>. <br />
	Kaloyan "wtp project" <br />
	Naci will attend but (probably) not present. <br />
	Neil has submitted for Dali (and Eclipse link) <br />
	Cameron and JSF</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2009/">EclipseCon 2009</a>. September we'll start recruiting talks.</li>
	</ul>
	<hr />
	<p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
	<p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
	</body>
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