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 <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for January 26, 2010 Conference Call</h1>
 <h2>Call Info</h2>
 <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
 Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
 Access code: 173098# <br />
 <a
 	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full
 list of phone numbers</a><br />
 <br />
 <a
 	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
 &amp;month=01
 &amp;day=05
 &amp;year=2010
 &amp;hour=11
 &amp;min=0&amp;sec=0&amp;p1=207">Call
 Time: 1600 UTC</a></p>


 <h2>Attendees</h2>
 <h3>PMC Members</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David
 	Williams: Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan
 	Srinivasan: Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge:
 	Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer:
 	Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan
 	Raev: Y</li>
 </ul>


 <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
 <ul>

 	<li>New logo?
 	<p>1/12/2010 Naci volunteered that he'd consider, and propose a
 	plan. For at least web page WTP logo (perhaps Java EE IDE Intro page
 	too?).</p>
 	<p>Naci reported he has opened bugs to discuss 2 things: 1) some
 	rework of webpages (many no longer used); 2) potential new web logo.
 	He'll attach a few possibilities and request review and dsicussion.</p>
 	</li>

 	<li>TODO: create "works with" CQs (all done!)

 	<p>We <i>might</i> have to do one for JREs or OS Platforms, but my
 	view is we shouldn't unless explicitly requested to</p>
 	<ul>
 		<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3736">Platform's
 		OS example.</a></li>
 		<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737">Platform's
 		JRE exmaple.</a></li>
 	</ul>

 	<p>For reference, see the <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/Eclipse_Policy_and_Procedure_for_3rd_Party_Dependencies_Final.pdf">Board
 	Resolution</a> and see "3rd party" section of <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/releaseReviews/200906/WebTools3.1-ip-log.pdf">last
 	year's IP Log</a>.</p>

 	</li>

 	<li>Let's establish "mixed version project interoperability
 	requirement"
 	<p>Is it agreed we should do this?</p>
 	<p>Note from meeting: Is was agreed we should do this?</p>
 	</li>

 	<li><a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/helios/planning/EclipseSimultaneousRelease.php">Accessibilty
 	Requirement</a>: Can we agree on which checklist to use? I'm assuming each
 	project will complete one, even though we will "rollup" into one, for
 	the Helios requirement. Better if all subprojects use the same one?

 	<p>For reference or evaluation, here is a general page from IBM on
 	<a href="http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/index.html">Accessibilty
 	Guidelines for Developers.</a> With three checklists:</p>
 	<ul>
 		<li><a
 			href="http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/software/accesssoftware.html">Software</a></li>
 		<li><a
 			href="http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/documentation/accessdoc.html">Documentation</a></li>
 		<li><a
 			href="http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/web/accessweb.html">Web</a></li>
 	</ul>

 	</li>

 	<li>Let's Review some WTP and Eclipse principles of open source
 	development and governance.
 	<p>For reference, please re-read the <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/Eclipse_Standard_TopLevel_Charter_v1.0.php">Eclipse
 	Standard Charter</a>. In particular, read the section titled "The
 	Development Process". I'd like to make sure we all have the same
 	understanding of that section? Here's mine:</p>
 	<ul>
 		<li>The status quo is the rule. Change is the exception.</li>
 		<li>Committers of a sub-project must all agree to change code
 		base. (Isn't this the fundamental part of Eclispe governance?)</li>
 		<li>PMC defines the process. Which we haven't done!?</li>
 	</ul>
 	<p>Note from meeting: It was agreed to continue to discuss this to
 	make sure at least we, the PMC agree.</p>
 	</li>


 	<li>Discuss importance of 3.1.2 "Final Build" date, on 2/12.
 	(Raghu)
 	<p>Note from meeting: No disagreements to hold firm. PMC approval
 	after that date would be exceptional (such as "damaging" bugs only, if
 	any). If merely a "bad" bug found, would be better to propose to make a
 	fix available on update site instead of new build</p>
 	</li>

 	<li>Discuss W4 incubator project. (Raghu)</li>

 	<li>New year resolutions?
 	<p>There is a need, and interest!, to discuss high level, big
 	picture aspects of the WTP project. Some possible items are listed
 	below. Remember, to actually do anything, will require someone to
 	volunteer to do the work.</p>
 	<ul>
 		<li>API, stability</li>
 		<li>scope? osgi spec's?</li>
 		<li>more "press"? as it is popular</li>
 		<li>e4? Can we sign up for "be compatible with e4 in 2011"</li>
 		<li><a
 			href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Continuous
 		Improvement Notes</a></li>
 	</ul>
 	<p>We'll have next agenda too.</p>
 	</li>

 </ul>

 <h2>Handy Links from past meetings</h2>
 <h3>References</h3>
 <ul>

 	<li><a
 		href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Continuous
 	Improvement Notes</a></li>
 	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2010/">EclipseCon 2010</a></li>

 	<li>FYI ... Eclipse Foundation has a relatively new <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/home/categories/index.php?category=enterprise">"enterprise
 	page"</a>.</li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools">WTP
 	3.2 Plans</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted:
 	<ul>
 		<li>Index search for Java EE metadata. See <a
 			href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233505">bug
 		233505</a></li>
 		<li>Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See <a
 			href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265952">bug
 		265952</a></li>
 	</ul>
 	</li>
 	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA
 	Tools</a></li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT
 	Texo project proposal</a></li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven
 	Integration</a></li>
 </ul>
 <hr />
 <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
 <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
 </body>
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	<title>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for January 26, 2010 Conference
	Call</title>
	</head>
	<body>
	<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for January 26, 2010 Conference Call</h1>
	<h2>Call Info</h2>
	<p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
	Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
	Access code: 173098# <br />
	<a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full
	list of phone numbers</a><br />
	<br />
	<a
	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
	&month=01
	&day=05
	&year=2010
	&hour=11
	&min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call
	Time: 1600 UTC</a></p>


	<h2>Attendees</h2>
	<h3>PMC Members</h3>
	<ul>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David
	Williams: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan
	Srinivasan: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge:
	Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer:
	Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan
	Raev: Y</li>
	</ul>



	<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
	<ul>

	<li>New logo?
	<p>1/12/2010 Naci volunteered that he'd consider, and propose a
	plan. For at least web page WTP logo (perhaps Java EE IDE Intro page
	too?).</p>
	<p>Naci reported he has opened bugs to discuss 2 things: 1) some
	rework of webpages (many no longer used); 2) potential new web logo.
	He'll attach a few possibilities and request review and dsicussion.</p>
	</li>

	<li>TODO: create "works with" CQs (all done!)

	<p>We <i>might</i> have to do one for JREs or OS Platforms, but my
	view is we shouldn't unless explicitly requested to</p>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3736">Platform's
	OS example.</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3737">Platform's
	JRE exmaple.</a></li>
	</ul>

	<p>For reference, see the <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/Eclipse_Policy_and_Procedure_for_3rd_Party_Dependencies_Final.pdf">Board
	Resolution</a> and see "3rd party" section of <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/releaseReviews/200906/WebTools3.1-ip-log.pdf">last
	year's IP Log</a>.</p>

	</li>

	<li>Let's establish "mixed version project interoperability
	requirement"
	<p>Is it agreed we should do this?</p>
	<p>Note from meeting: Is was agreed we should do this?</p>
	</li>

	<li><a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/helios/planning/EclipseSimultaneousRelease.php">Accessibilty
	Requirement</a>: Can we agree on which checklist to use? I'm assuming each
	project will complete one, even though we will "rollup" into one, for
	the Helios requirement. Better if all subprojects use the same one?

	<p>For reference or evaluation, here is a general page from IBM on
	<a href="http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/index.html">Accessibilty
	Guidelines for Developers.</a> With three checklists:</p>
	<ul>
	<li><a
	href="http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/software/accesssoftware.html">Software</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/documentation/accessdoc.html">Documentation</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/web/accessweb.html">Web</a></li>
	</ul>

	</li>

	<li>Let's Review some WTP and Eclipse principles of open source
	development and governance.
	<p>For reference, please re-read the <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/Eclipse_Standard_TopLevel_Charter_v1.0.php">Eclipse
	Standard Charter</a>. In particular, read the section titled "The
	Development Process". I'd like to make sure we all have the same
	understanding of that section? Here's mine:</p>
	<ul>
	<li>The status quo is the rule. Change is the exception.</li>
	<li>Committers of a sub-project must all agree to change code
	base. (Isn't this the fundamental part of Eclispe governance?)</li>
	<li>PMC defines the process. Which we haven't done!?</li>
	</ul>
	<p>Note from meeting: It was agreed to continue to discuss this to
	make sure at least we, the PMC agree.</p>
	</li>




	<li>Discuss importance of 3.1.2 "Final Build" date, on 2/12.
	(Raghu)
	<p>Note from meeting: No disagreements to hold firm. PMC approval
	after that date would be exceptional (such as "damaging" bugs only, if
	any). If merely a "bad" bug found, would be better to propose to make a
	fix available on update site instead of new build</p>
	</li>

	<li>Discuss W4 incubator project. (Raghu)</li>

	<li>New year resolutions?
	<p>There is a need, and interest!, to discuss high level, big
	picture aspects of the WTP project. Some possible items are listed
	below. Remember, to actually do anything, will require someone to
	volunteer to do the work.</p>
	<ul>
	<li>API, stability</li>
	<li>scope? osgi spec's?</li>
	<li>more "press"? as it is popular</li>
	<li>e4? Can we sign up for "be compatible with e4 in 2011"</li>
	<li><a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Continuous
	Improvement Notes</a></li>
	</ul>
	<p>We'll have next agenda too.</p>
	</li>

	</ul>

	<h2>Handy Links from past meetings</h2>
	<h3>References</h3>
	<ul>

	<li><a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Continuous
	Improvement Notes</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2010/">EclipseCon 2010</a></li>

	<li>FYI ... Eclipse Foundation has a relatively new <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/home/categories/index.php?category=enterprise">"enterprise
	page"</a>.</li>
	<li><a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools">WTP
	3.2 Plans</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted:
	<ul>
	<li>Index search for Java EE metadata. See <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233505">bug
	233505</a></li>
	<li>Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265952">bug
	265952</a></li>
	</ul>
	</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA
	Tools</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT
	Texo project proposal</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven
	Integration</a></li>
	</ul>
	<hr />
	<p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
	<p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
	</body>
	</html>