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| <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for December 09, 2008 Conference Call</h1> |
| <h2>Call Info</h2> |
| <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br /> |
| Alternate: 770-615-1247<br /> |
| Access code: 173098# <br /> |
| <a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full |
| list of phone numbers</a><br /> |
| <br /> |
| <a |
| href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107 |
| &month=11 |
| &day=04 |
| &year=2008 |
| &hour=11 |
| &min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call |
| Time: 1500 UTC</a></p> |
| |
| <h2>Attendees</h2> |
| <h3>PMC Members</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>David Williams: Y</li> |
| <li>Naci Dai: Y</li> |
| <li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li> |
| <li>Neil Hauge: N</li> |
| <li>Tim deBoer: Y</li> |
| <li>Kaloyan Raev: Y</li> |
| </ul> |
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| <h3>Invited Guests</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Philippe Ombredanne (ATF): N</li> |
| </ul> |
| --> |
| <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2> |
| <ul> |
| |
| <li>API breakage in 3.0.3? <a |
| href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=257470">Bug |
| 257470</a> |
| <p>Agreement that if/since no other effected adopters found, best |
| course is not to "break again".</p> |
| </li> |
| |
| <li>EclipseCon 2009 status ...</li> |
| |
| <li>M4 this Friday. Please test.</li> |
| |
| <li>New Year's resolutions? |
| <ul> |
| <li>focus on quality? Patch application?</li> |
| <li>review IP Log each milestone</li> |
| <li>Adopter/project awareness ... wtp special topics?</li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| |
| <li>No PMC meeting next two (or three?) weeks. Resume on Jan. 6 |
| (or 13th?) |
| <p>Kaloyan only one out till 12th, so meetings to resume on 6th.</p> |
| </li> |
| |
| <li>Naci reported "live" content! |
| <p>In particular, see the "education link" in under <a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/">Webtools |
| Community</a>. We'll announce, promote first of next year.</p> |
| </li> |
| |
| </ul> |
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| Reports, Actions, Issues |
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| <h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2> |
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| Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top |
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| Architecture |
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| <h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>API Tools. Tim to investigate and make recommendations to |
| teams.</li> |
| <li>Tim investigated API tools. There is a wizard that adds a |
| builder to each plugin you select to add API tools support. There were |
| some minor changes to move up to the tools (e.g. adding @noimplement |
| javadoc tag) and taking a baseline, but it did catch missing @since |
| tags, broken API, plugin versions that should be incremented, etc. |
| Would recommend for 3.1 development.</li> |
| <li>Next step is to try with plugins that have more API issues, |
| non-internal packages that shouldn't be public, etc. to see if the |
| impact to development teams is acceptable.</li> |
| <li>Also need to investigate build impact.</li> |
| <li></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP |
| Architecture Lead Role</a></li> |
| <li>Tracking meetings and work at <a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP |
| Architecture Working Group</a></li> |
| </ul> |
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| Education |
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| <h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3> |
| <p>Naci reports web pages for education materials are about ready. |
| He is writing article, as deadline is in December. Raghu was only |
| response he got for being interested in contributing too.</p> |
| <hr /> |
| <p>Please review: <a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/resources/">Resource |
| Page Proposal</a></p> |
| <p>Naci was approached (and countered) with some proposed articles |
| for Eclipse (online) magazine [need link. only one I found last |
| published in 2007?] Naci will invite authors for a series of articles |
| for "WTP Uncovered":</p> |
| <ol> |
| <li>web developer tools (xml, xsl, html, css)</li> |
| <li>web applications with Java (jsf, jsp, server)</li> |
| <li>enterprise application (jpa/ejb)</li> |
| <li>soa, webservices</li> |
| <li>adopters/extending (maybe)</li> |
| </ol> |
| <p>Naci updated us today: Publisher would like all articles in one |
| issue (for an issued focused on WTP). Online version would be in |
| English. Print version would be translated to German. They'd like one |
| overview article less than 20,000 words, and 4 shorter, but more focused |
| article on specific areas, each less than 10,000 words</p> |
| <p>Naci will have some Eductation site/materials ready next week.</p> |
| <p>New Bugzilla component created: "Education".</p> |
| <p>We will publish education materials under <a |
| href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/">Creative |
| Commons -- Attribution Share Alike</a> but still EPL for sample code, |
| examples and snippets.</p> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP |
| Education Lead</a></li> |
| </ul> |
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| Requirements |
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| <h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3> |
| <p>Raghu noted we should remind PLs to update plans every milestone.</p> |
| <p><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_3.1_Project_Plan">Planning |
| Process Document</a> has been started.</p> |
| <p>Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a <a |
| href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg01422.html">Planning |
| Council message</a> (and elsewhere).</p> |
| <p>Discussed options for including milestone dates and common info |
| in project milestone plans vs linking to the overall WTP plan.</p> |
| <hr /> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP |
| Requirements Lead Role</a></li> |
| </ul> |
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| Planning |
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| <h3>Planning: David Williams</h3> |
| <h4>long term items to track</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li>XUL Runner IP nearing completion</li> |
| </ul> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP |
| Planning Role</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Patches_for_Release_2.0.2">patch |
| process document</a></li> |
| </ul> |
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| Quality |
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| <h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3> |
| <dl> |
| <dt>Notes:</dt> |
| <dd>See previous notes for statistics. |
| <p>It is be important for us to do by 'sub-project' to compare |
| within our own WTP projects, as well as to other top level ones</p> |
| </dd> |
| <dd>Neil investigating "close old bugs" policy.</dd> |
| <dd>Neil has estimated approximately 800 bugs (of 2000 untargeted |
| bugs) could be considered "old bugs". He'll prepare a table and note to |
| send to project with encouragement to PLs to handle ... something like |
| either triage individually and assign a target, or mark with |
| 'helpwanted' or mark in mass with a kind comment to re-open if still an |
| issue (with reason for the mass update, etc.).</dd> |
| </dl> |
| <h4>Reference:</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP |
| Quality Lead</a></li> |
| <li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality |
| Page</a></li> |
| </ul> |
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| User Experience |
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| <h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Had <a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/JavaEE_Perspective_UIWG_Walkthrough">UI |
| Walkthrough</a></li> |
| <li>Started collecting <a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/JavaEE_Perspective_Usage_Screenshots">usage |
| data</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h4>References</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP |
| User Experience Lead</a></li> |
| </ul> |
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| General business |
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| <h2>General business?</h2> |
| <h3>bugs to watch</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Discussed need for <a |
| href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=152461">bug |
| 152461</a></li> |
| <li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a |
| href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245645">bug |
| 245645</a></li> |
| <li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a |
| href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245573">bug |
| 245573</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Other projects to watch:</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA |
| Tools</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT |
| Texo project proposal</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven |
| Integration</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h2>PMC Calendar</h2> |
| <ul> |
| <li style="text-decoration: line-through;"><a |
| href="http://www.eclipseworld.net/">Eclipse World</a><br /> |
| Raghu, Naci, and Neil have submitted.</li> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/summiteurope2008/">Eclipse |
| European Summit</a>. <br /> |
| Kaloyan "wtp project" <br /> |
| Naci will attend but (probably) not present. <br /> |
| Cameron is attending and presenting JSF.</li> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2009/">EclipseCon 2009</a>. |
| September we'll start recruiting talks.</li> |
| </ul> |
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| <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p> |
| <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p> |
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