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 <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for May 20, 2008 Conference Call</h1>
 <h2>Call Info</h2>
 <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
 Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
 Access code: 800388# <br />
 <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full list of phone numbers</a><br />
 <br />
 <a
     href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
 &amp;month=10
 &amp;day=16
 &amp;year=2007
 &amp;hour=11
 &amp;min=0&amp;sec=0&amp;p1=207">Call
 Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>
 <!--
 <h2>Attendees</h2>
 <h3>PMC Members</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>David Williams: Y</li>
     <li>Naci Dai: N (Regrets)</li>
     <li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
     <li>Neil Hauge: Y</li>
     <li>Tim deBoer: Y</li>
     <li>Kaloyan Raev Y</li>
 </ul>
  -->
 <!--
 <h3>Invited Guests</h3>
 <ul>
 <li>Philippe Ombredanne (ATF): N</li>
 </ul>
 -->
 <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
 <ul>

 </ul>
 <h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
 <h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
 <p><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01414.html">Raghu has requested</a> we discuss <a
     href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Web_Tools_Platform_Release_3.0_Requirements">Requirements Document</a> to help him
 "close it out" and begin next.</p>
 <p><b>Note from meeting:</b> Should create final copy before Release Review. Ask Project Leads to spend 20 minutes
 looking if any "completed" items should be mentioned (copied) under themes. If we have empty theme, should we remove? Or
 just say "we did no activity in this area".</p>
 <p>We need Draft release plan, in standard format, for next years release by June (See see <a
     href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=215301">bug 215301</a>).<br />
 Raghu to lead, and propose an alternative or two. Rumor has it that the June deadline was to have a standard format
 decided, and the "infrastructure" in place to roll them up into a single roadmap document. The "real" plan is expected
 by September. My understanding was there would be a new note to this effect to "project leads list", but haven't seen it
 yet.</p>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
 <p><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01401.html">meeting conflict till end of May</a></p>
 <p>** Need status update</p>
 <ul>
     <li>Phase 1, organize what we have, done by end January.</li>
     <li>Phase 2, self guided new materials. some available by EclipseCon.</li>
     <li>phase 3, shutdown .. scenarios</li>
 </ul>
 <dl>
     <dt>Notes:</dt>
     <dd>Orgainizing "current" now, should be ready by EclipseCon.</dd>
     <dd>Will be organized better for narrowing selection and sorting.</dd>
     <dd>For now, the "database" will be one XML file, with various attributes/qualities to search and sort on.</dd>
 </dl>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP Education Lead</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>We may need <b>another</b> 2.0.2 patch -- and/or another release!, 2.0.3, to collect these "bad bugs".
     <ul>
         <li><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=201318">201318</a> [hotbug] EAR Libraries
         container fails to initialize for 2.5 web project. Fixed, need to create patch still.</li>
         <li><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=230256">230256</a> hotbug_request] jst.jee
         JEEDeployableFactory refuses to load ejb3 module</li>
     </ul>
     </li>
     <li>Ganymede RC1 ready? (today)</li>
     <li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.0.0/pmc-bug-approval.php">PMC Review</a></li>
     <li>Beginning Review Materials
     <ul>
         <li>June 4th (materials due by 5/21) -- final PMC review 5/20.</li>
         <li>About files, etc., were sent (late) on 5/15</li>
     </ul>
     </li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP Planning Role</a></li>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Patches_for_Release_2.0.2">patch process document</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
 <ul>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference:</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP Quality Lead</a></li>
     <li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality Page</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>Kaloyan still considering to do a walktrhough in a few weeks.</li>
 </ul>
 <dl>
     <dt>Notes:</dt>
     <dd>
     <ul>
         <li>Working on "use cases" document, for novice user. Should be ready for public review and comments in a
         few weeks.</li>
     </ul>
     </dd>
 </dl>
 <h4>References</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP User Experience Lead</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>Tim will find out specific "advise to give developers (and auto-test teams)" to implement the WTP API
     policy (which tools/build reports to use).</li>
 </ul>
 <dl>
     <dt>Notes:</dt>
     <dd>
     <ul>
         <li>Recommended to restart the protected non-api scans.</li>
         <li>Will not accept new data, for now, but if tooling could be improved to detect/remove additional
         (non-protected) data, then perhaps it'd be useful to show non-api use going down.</li>
         <li>But, an update: Have discovered that current ones are nearly meaningless, since so much as changed, so
         scan's show us as "changing protected API", but it's not protected API any longer.
         <ul>
             <li>Concluded we should still run the scans, as sort of a "unit test" to see if any new, unexpected
             breakage. Run occasionally, that is, such as every milestone?</li>
             <li>We'll need to tell developers to "make use of as best they can" since it includes lots of noise.</li>
             <li>We may look at easy ways to reduce noise ... such as to "diff" with previous, or some particular
             reference report.</li>
             <li>It was suggested at some point we may want to put the work back on adopters to sanitize their data,
             but, that might still require more work on our part to make sure no new usage data was added.</li>
         </ul>
         </li>
     </ul>
     </dd>
 </dl>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
     <li>Tracking meetings and work at <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
     Architecture Working Group</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h2>General business?</h2>
 <!--
 <ul>
     <li>Other projects to watch:
     <ul>
         <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT Texo project proposal</a></li>
         <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven Integration</a></li>
     </ul>
     </li>
     <li>Potential resource issues?
     <ul>
         <li>Product plugin for EPP and welcome screen</li>
         <li>Refactoring Doc features (and moving to appropriate sub-projects).</li>
         <li>Refactoring SDK (source and JavaDoc) features/bundles (and moving to appropriate sub-projects)</li>
         <li>Platform/OS coverage for testing and support? -- probably suffices to simply record coverage. Perhaps
         ask for community help.</li>
         <li>Performance Tests -- Kayolan making some progress.</li>
         <li>Needs some JSF features, at least for build</li>
     </ul>
     <dl>
         <dt>Notes:</dt>
         <dd>
         <ul>
             <li>No obvious resource solutions.</li>
         </ul>
         </dd>
     </dl>
     </li>
 </ul>
  -->
 <!--
 <h2>Action Items</h2>
 <h3>To Do</h3>
 <ol>
     <li>Raghu: create a wiki page: a checklist for how to lower the barrier to participation for all projects</li>
     <li>David: create wiki page for 3rd-party requirements</li>
     <li>Naci (changed from David): post instructions and reminders for our "community resources" and presentations
     page, especially, even, for eclipseCon 2007, and Eclipse Summit</li>
 </ol>
 <h3>Done</h3>
 <ol>
     <li>15022010, all: WTP Refactor follow up: Need to update website. Project Leads will need to take ownership
     of their own pages. See <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=201331">bug 201331</a></li>
     <li>David: Reorg CVS. See <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_CVS_Restructuring">CVS Restructuring
     Proposal</a></li>
     <li>David: update our "planning" documents with dates for both Ganymede and Winter maintenance.</li>
     <li>David: Resolved <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Policy_on_Package_Visibility">WTP Policy on
     Package Visibility</a></li>
 </ol>
 -->
 <h2>PMC Calendar</h2>
 <ul>
     <li>Eclipse World deadline has passed (though they sometimes accept late submissions). Who has submitted?
     <p><b>Note from meeting:</b> Raghu and Neil have submitted.</p>
     </li>
     <li>Eclipse European Summit</li>
 </ul>
 <hr />
 <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
 <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
 </body>
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	<title>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for May 20, 2008 Conference Call</title>
	</head>
	<body>
	<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for May 20, 2008 Conference Call</h1>
	<h2>Call Info</h2>
	<p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
	Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
	Access code: 800388# <br />
	<a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full list of phone numbers</a><br />
	<br />
	<a
	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
	&month=10
	&day=16
	&year=2007
	&hour=11
	&min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call
	Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>
	<!--
	<h2>Attendees</h2>
	<h3>PMC Members</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>David Williams: Y</li>
	<li>Naci Dai: N (Regrets)</li>
	<li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
	<li>Neil Hauge: Y</li>
	<li>Tim deBoer: Y</li>
	<li>Kaloyan Raev Y</li>
	</ul>
	-->
	<!--
	<h3>Invited Guests</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>Philippe Ombredanne (ATF): N</li>
	</ul>
	-->
	<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
	<ul>

	</ul>
	<h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
	<h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
	<p><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01414.html">Raghu has requested</a> we discuss <a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Web_Tools_Platform_Release_3.0_Requirements">Requirements Document</a> to help him
	"close it out" and begin next.</p>
	<p><b>Note from meeting:</b> Should create final copy before Release Review. Ask Project Leads to spend 20 minutes
	looking if any "completed" items should be mentioned (copied) under themes. If we have empty theme, should we remove? Or
	just say "we did no activity in this area".</p>
	<p>We need Draft release plan, in standard format, for next years release by June (See see <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=215301">bug 215301</a>).<br />
	Raghu to lead, and propose an alternative or two. Rumor has it that the June deadline was to have a standard format
	decided, and the "infrastructure" in place to roll them up into a single roadmap document. The "real" plan is expected
	by September. My understanding was there would be a new note to this effect to "project leads list", but haven't seen it
	yet.</p>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
	<p><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01401.html">meeting conflict till end of May</a></p>
	<p>** Need status update</p>
	<ul>
	<li>Phase 1, organize what we have, done by end January.</li>
	<li>Phase 2, self guided new materials. some available by EclipseCon.</li>
	<li>phase 3, shutdown .. scenarios</li>
	</ul>
	<dl>
	<dt>Notes:</dt>
	<dd>Orgainizing "current" now, should be ready by EclipseCon.</dd>
	<dd>Will be organized better for narrowing selection and sorting.</dd>
	<dd>For now, the "database" will be one XML file, with various attributes/qualities to search and sort on.</dd>
	</dl>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP Education Lead</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>We may need <b>another</b> 2.0.2 patch -- and/or another release!, 2.0.3, to collect these "bad bugs".
	<ul>
	<li><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=201318">201318</a> [hotbug] EAR Libraries
	container fails to initialize for 2.5 web project. Fixed, need to create patch still.</li>
	<li><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=230256">230256</a> hotbug_request] jst.jee
	JEEDeployableFactory refuses to load ejb3 module</li>
	</ul>
	</li>
	<li>Ganymede RC1 ready? (today)</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.0.0/pmc-bug-approval.php">PMC Review</a></li>
	<li>Beginning Review Materials
	<ul>
	<li>June 4th (materials due by 5/21) -- final PMC review 5/20.</li>
	<li>About files, etc., were sent (late) on 5/15</li>
	</ul>
	</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP Planning Role</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Patches_for_Release_2.0.2">patch process document</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
	<ul>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference:</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP Quality Lead</a></li>
	<li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality Page</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>Kaloyan still considering to do a walktrhough in a few weeks.</li>
	</ul>
	<dl>
	<dt>Notes:</dt>
	<dd>
	<ul>
	<li>Working on "use cases" document, for novice user. Should be ready for public review and comments in a
	few weeks.</li>
	</ul>
	</dd>
	</dl>
	<h4>References</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP User Experience Lead</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>Tim will find out specific "advise to give developers (and auto-test teams)" to implement the WTP API
	policy (which tools/build reports to use).</li>
	</ul>
	<dl>
	<dt>Notes:</dt>
	<dd>
	<ul>
	<li>Recommended to restart the protected non-api scans.</li>
	<li>Will not accept new data, for now, but if tooling could be improved to detect/remove additional
	(non-protected) data, then perhaps it'd be useful to show non-api use going down.</li>
	<li>But, an update: Have discovered that current ones are nearly meaningless, since so much as changed, so
	scan's show us as "changing protected API", but it's not protected API any longer.
	<ul>
	<li>Concluded we should still run the scans, as sort of a "unit test" to see if any new, unexpected
	breakage. Run occasionally, that is, such as every milestone?</li>
	<li>We'll need to tell developers to "make use of as best they can" since it includes lots of noise.</li>
	<li>We may look at easy ways to reduce noise ... such as to "diff" with previous, or some particular
	reference report.</li>
	<li>It was suggested at some point we may want to put the work back on adopters to sanitize their data,
	but, that might still require more work on our part to make sure no new usage data was added.</li>
	</ul>
	</li>
	</ul>
	</dd>
	</dl>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
	<li>Tracking meetings and work at <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
	Architecture Working Group</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h2>General business?</h2>
	<!--
	<ul>
	<li>Other projects to watch:
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT Texo project proposal</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven Integration</a></li>
	</ul>
	</li>
	<li>Potential resource issues?
	<ul>
	<li>Product plugin for EPP and welcome screen</li>
	<li>Refactoring Doc features (and moving to appropriate sub-projects).</li>
	<li>Refactoring SDK (source and JavaDoc) features/bundles (and moving to appropriate sub-projects)</li>
	<li>Platform/OS coverage for testing and support? -- probably suffices to simply record coverage. Perhaps
	ask for community help.</li>
	<li>Performance Tests -- Kayolan making some progress.</li>
	<li>Needs some JSF features, at least for build</li>
	</ul>
	<dl>
	<dt>Notes:</dt>
	<dd>
	<ul>
	<li>No obvious resource solutions.</li>
	</ul>
	</dd>
	</dl>
	</li>
	</ul>
	-->
	<!--
	<h2>Action Items</h2>
	<h3>To Do</h3>
	<ol>
	<li>Raghu: create a wiki page: a checklist for how to lower the barrier to participation for all projects</li>
	<li>David: create wiki page for 3rd-party requirements</li>
	<li>Naci (changed from David): post instructions and reminders for our "community resources" and presentations
	page, especially, even, for eclipseCon 2007, and Eclipse Summit</li>
	</ol>
	<h3>Done</h3>
	<ol>
	<li>15022010, all: WTP Refactor follow up: Need to update website. Project Leads will need to take ownership
	of their own pages. See <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=201331">bug 201331</a></li>
	<li>David: Reorg CVS. See <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_CVS_Restructuring">CVS Restructuring
	Proposal</a></li>
	<li>David: update our "planning" documents with dates for both Ganymede and Winter maintenance.</li>
	<li>David: Resolved <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Policy_on_Package_Visibility">WTP Policy on
	Package Visibility</a></li>
	</ol>
	-->
	<h2>PMC Calendar</h2>
	<ul>
	<li>Eclipse World deadline has passed (though they sometimes accept late submissions). Who has submitted?
	<p><b>Note from meeting:</b> Raghu and Neil have submitted.</p>
	</li>
	<li>Eclipse European Summit</li>
	</ul>
	<hr />
	<p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
	<p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
	</body>
	</html>