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 <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for November 04, 2008 Conference Call</h1>
 <h2>Call Info</h2>
 <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
 Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
 Access code: 173098# <br />
 <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full list of phone numbers</a><br />
 <br />
 <a
     href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
 &amp;month=11
 &amp;day=04
 &amp;year=2008
 &amp;hour=11
 &amp;min=0&amp;sec=0&amp;p1=207">Call
 Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>
 <h2>Attendees</h2>
 <h3>PMC Members</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>David Williams: Y</li>
     <li>Naci Dai: Y</li>
     <li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
     <li>Neil Hauge: Y</li>
     <li>Tim deBoer: Y</li>
     <li>Kaloyan Raev N</li>
 </ul>
 <!--
 <h3>Invited Guests</h3>
 <ul>
 <li>Philippe Ombredanne (ATF): N</li>
 </ul>
 -->
 <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
 <ul>
     <li>Planning Council: WTP consensus on simultaneous release? raising the bar?
     <p>Consensus was that yes, bar should be raised, but use care so that not a barrier to participation.</p>
     </li>
     <li>PMC check of status meeting discussion of <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=241335">bug
     241335</a>
     <p>Consensus that developers are handling correctly, though we might want to plan better for that use-case, if
     for no other reason, to make it clear where others might contribute.</p>
     </li>
     <li>WTP Patch build already! See <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=255537">bug 255537</a>
     <p>PMC approval to put on update site (along with 3.0.3 release)?</p>
     <p>Approval granted</p>
     </li>
     <li>Reminder: need EclipseCon submissions by Nov. 24th!</li>
 </ul>
 <!--

 Reports, Actions, Issues

  -->
 <h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
 <!--

     Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top

 -->
 <!--

     Education

  -->
 <h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
 <p>Naci reports web pages for education materials are about ready. He is writing article, as deadline is in
 December. Raghu was only response he got for being interested in contributing too.</p>
 <hr />
 <p>Please review: <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/resources/">Resource Page Proposal</a></p>
 <p>Naci was approached (and countered) with some proposed articles for Eclipse (online) magazine [need link. only
 one I found last published in 2007?] Naci will invite authors for a series of articles for "WTP Uncovered":</p>
 <ol>
     <li>web developer tools (xml, xsl, html, css)</li>
     <li>web applications with Java (jsf, jsp, server)</li>
     <li>enterprise application (jpa/ejb)</li>
     <li>soa, webservices</li>
     <li>adopters/extending (maybe)</li>
 </ol>
 <p>Naci updated us today: Publisher would like all articles in one issue (for an issued focused on WTP). Online
 version would be in English. Print version would be translated to German. They'd like one overview article less than
 20,000 words, and 4 shorter, but more focused article on specific areas, each less than 10,000 words</p>
 <p>Naci will have some Eductation site/materials ready next week.</p>
 <p>New Bugzilla component created: "Education".</p>
 <p>We will publish education materials under <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/">Creative
 Commons -- Attribution Share Alike</a> but still EPL for sample code, examples and snippets.</p>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP Education Lead</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Requirements

  -->
 <h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
 <p>Raghu noted we should remind PLs to update plans every milestone.</p>
 <p><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_3.1_Project_Plan">Planning Process Document</a> has been started.</p>
 <p>Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a <a
     href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg01422.html">Planning Council message</a>
 (and elsewhere).</p>
 <hr />
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Planning

  -->
 <h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>3.0.3 to be released this Friday.
     <p>Please keep up with <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.0.3/pmc-bug-approval.php">PMC
     Approvals</a></p>
     </li>
 </ul>
 <h4>long term items to track</h4>
 <ul>
     <li>XUL Runner IP nearing completion</li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP Planning Role</a></li>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Patches_for_Release_2.0.2">patch process document</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Quality

  -->
 <h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
 <dl>
     <dt>Notes:</dt>
     <dd>See previous notes for statistics.
     <p>It is be important for us to do by 'sub-project' to compare within our own WTP projects, as well as to other
     top level ones</p>
     </dd>
     <dd>Neil investigating "close old bugs" policy.</dd>
     <dd>Neil has estimated approximately 800 bugs (of 2000 untargeted bugs) could be considered "old bugs". He'll
     prepare a table and note to send to project with encouragement to PLs to handle ... something like either triage
     individually and assign a target, or mark with 'helpwanted' or mark in mass with a kind comment to re-open if still
     an issue (with reason for the mass update, etc.).</dd>
 </dl>
 <h4>Reference:</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP Quality Lead</a></li>
     <li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality Page</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     User Experience

  -->
 <h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>Had <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/JavaEE_Perspective_UIWG_Walkthrough">UI Walkthrough</a></li>
     <li>Started collecting <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/JavaEE_Perspective_Usage_Screenshots">usage data</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h4>References</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP User Experience Lead</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Architecture

  -->
 <h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>API Tools. Tim to investigate and make recommendations to teams.</li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
     <li>Tracking meetings and work at <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
     Architecture Working Group</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

 General business

  -->
 <h2>General business?</h2>
 <h3>bugs to watch</h3>
 <ul>
     <li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Discussed need for <a
         href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=152461">bug 152461</a></li>
     <li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a
         href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245645">bug 245645</a></li>
     <li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a
         href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245573">bug 245573</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA Tools</a></li>
     <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT Texo project proposal</a></li>
     <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven Integration</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h2>PMC Calendar</h2>
 <ul>
     <li style="text-decoration: line-through;"><a href="http://www.eclipseworld.net/">Eclipse World</a><br />
     Raghu, Naci, and Neil have submitted.</li>
     <li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/summiteurope2008/">Eclipse European Summit</a>. <br />
     Kaloyan "wtp project" <br />
     Naci will attend but (probably) not present. <br />
     Cameron is attending and presenting JSF.</li>
     <li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2009/">EclipseCon 2009</a>. September we'll start recruiting talks.</li>
 </ul>
 <hr />
 <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
 <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
 </body>
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	<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for November 04, 2008 Conference Call</h1>
	<h2>Call Info</h2>
	<p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
	Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
	Access code: 173098# <br />
	<a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full list of phone numbers</a><br />
	<br />
	<a
	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
	&month=11
	&day=04
	&year=2008
	&hour=11
	&min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call
	Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>
	<h2>Attendees</h2>
	<h3>PMC Members</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>David Williams: Y</li>
	<li>Naci Dai: Y</li>
	<li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
	<li>Neil Hauge: Y</li>
	<li>Tim deBoer: Y</li>
	<li>Kaloyan Raev N</li>
	</ul>
	<!--
	<h3>Invited Guests</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>Philippe Ombredanne (ATF): N</li>
	</ul>
	-->
	<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
	<ul>
	<li>Planning Council: WTP consensus on simultaneous release? raising the bar?
	<p>Consensus was that yes, bar should be raised, but use care so that not a barrier to participation.</p>
	</li>
	<li>PMC check of status meeting discussion of <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=241335">bug
	241335</a>
	<p>Consensus that developers are handling correctly, though we might want to plan better for that use-case, if
	for no other reason, to make it clear where others might contribute.</p>
	</li>
	<li>WTP Patch build already! See <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=255537">bug 255537</a>
	<p>PMC approval to put on update site (along with 3.0.3 release)?</p>
	<p>Approval granted</p>
	</li>
	<li>Reminder: need EclipseCon submissions by Nov. 24th!</li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Reports, Actions, Issues

	-->
	<h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
	<!--

	Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top

	-->
	<!--

	Education

	-->
	<h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
	<p>Naci reports web pages for education materials are about ready. He is writing article, as deadline is in
	December. Raghu was only response he got for being interested in contributing too.</p>
	<hr />
	<p>Please review: <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/resources/">Resource Page Proposal</a></p>
	<p>Naci was approached (and countered) with some proposed articles for Eclipse (online) magazine [need link. only
	one I found last published in 2007?] Naci will invite authors for a series of articles for "WTP Uncovered":</p>
	<ol>
	<li>web developer tools (xml, xsl, html, css)</li>
	<li>web applications with Java (jsf, jsp, server)</li>
	<li>enterprise application (jpa/ejb)</li>
	<li>soa, webservices</li>
	<li>adopters/extending (maybe)</li>
	</ol>
	<p>Naci updated us today: Publisher would like all articles in one issue (for an issued focused on WTP). Online
	version would be in English. Print version would be translated to German. They'd like one overview article less than
	20,000 words, and 4 shorter, but more focused article on specific areas, each less than 10,000 words</p>
	<p>Naci will have some Eductation site/materials ready next week.</p>
	<p>New Bugzilla component created: "Education".</p>
	<p>We will publish education materials under <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/">Creative
	Commons -- Attribution Share Alike</a> but still EPL for sample code, examples and snippets.</p>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP Education Lead</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Requirements

	-->
	<h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
	<p>Raghu noted we should remind PLs to update plans every milestone.</p>
	<p><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_3.1_Project_Plan">Planning Process Document</a> has been started.</p>
	<p>Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a <a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg01422.html">Planning Council message</a>
	(and elsewhere).</p>
	<hr />
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Planning

	-->
	<h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>3.0.3 to be released this Friday.
	<p>Please keep up with <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.0.3/pmc-bug-approval.php">PMC
	Approvals</a></p>
	</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>long term items to track</h4>
	<ul>
	<li>XUL Runner IP nearing completion</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP Planning Role</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Patches_for_Release_2.0.2">patch process document</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Quality

	-->
	<h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
	<dl>
	<dt>Notes:</dt>
	<dd>See previous notes for statistics.
	<p>It is be important for us to do by 'sub-project' to compare within our own WTP projects, as well as to other
	top level ones</p>
	</dd>
	<dd>Neil investigating "close old bugs" policy.</dd>
	<dd>Neil has estimated approximately 800 bugs (of 2000 untargeted bugs) could be considered "old bugs". He'll
	prepare a table and note to send to project with encouragement to PLs to handle ... something like either triage
	individually and assign a target, or mark with 'helpwanted' or mark in mass with a kind comment to re-open if still
	an issue (with reason for the mass update, etc.).</dd>
	</dl>
	<h4>Reference:</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP Quality Lead</a></li>
	<li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality Page</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	User Experience

	-->
	<h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>Had <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/JavaEE_Perspective_UIWG_Walkthrough">UI Walkthrough</a></li>
	<li>Started collecting <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/JavaEE_Perspective_Usage_Screenshots">usage data</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h4>References</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP User Experience Lead</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Architecture

	-->
	<h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>API Tools. Tim to investigate and make recommendations to teams.</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
	<li>Tracking meetings and work at <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
	Architecture Working Group</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	General business

	-->
	<h2>General business?</h2>
	<h3>bugs to watch</h3>
	<ul>
	<li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Discussed need for <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=152461">bug 152461</a></li>
	<li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245645">bug 245645</a></li>
	<li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245573">bug 245573</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA Tools</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT Texo project proposal</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven Integration</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h2>PMC Calendar</h2>
	<ul>
	<li style="text-decoration: line-through;"><a href="http://www.eclipseworld.net/">Eclipse World</a><br />
	Raghu, Naci, and Neil have submitted.</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/summiteurope2008/">Eclipse European Summit</a>. <br />
	Kaloyan "wtp project" <br />
	Naci will attend but (probably) not present. <br />
	Cameron is attending and presenting JSF.</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2009/">EclipseCon 2009</a>. September we'll start recruiting talks.</li>
	</ul>
	<hr />
	<p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
	<p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
	</body>
	</html>