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 <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for January 06, 2009 Conference Call</h1>
 <h2>Call Info</h2>
 <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
 Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
 Access code: 173098# <br />
 <a
 	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full
 list of phone numbers</a><br />
 <br />
 <a
 	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
 &amp;month=11
 &amp;day=04
 &amp;year=2008
 &amp;hour=11
 &amp;min=0&amp;sec=0&amp;p1=207">Call
 Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>

 <h2>Attendees</h2>
 <h3>PMC Members</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>David Williams: Y</li>
 	<li>Naci Dai: N</li>
 	<li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
 	<li>Neil Hauge: Y</li>
 	<li>Tim deBoer: N</li>
 	<li>Kaloyan Raev: R</li>
 </ul>

 <!--
 <h3>Invited Guests</h3>
 <ul>
 <li>Philippe Ombredanne (ATF): N</li>
 </ul>
 -->
 <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
 <ul>

     <li>Notes from 1/6/09: small, short meeting. Neil will start quality focus sections of status meetings soon. Raghu will
     send reminder to update M5 plans. Question for Naci: what's outlook of JSF, JPA, and Java EE sections of Education
     page?</li>

 	<li>New Year's resolutions?
 	<ul>
 		<li>focus on quality? Contributed patch application?</li>
 		<li>review IP Log each milestone</li>
 		<li>Adopter/project awareness ... wtp special topics?</li>
 	</ul>
 	</li>

 	<li>Naci reported "live" content!
 	<p>In particular, see the "education link" in under <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/">Webtools
 	Community</a>. We'll announce, promote first of next year.</p>
 	</li>

 </ul>
 <!--

 Reports, Actions, Issues

  -->
 <h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
 <!--

     Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top

 -->
 <!--

     Quality

  -->
 <h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
 <dl>
     <dt>Notes:</dt>
     <dd>See previous notes for statistics.
     <p>It is be important for us to do by 'sub-project' to compare
     within our own WTP projects, as well as to other top level ones</p>
     </dd>
     <dd>Neil investigating "close old bugs" policy.</dd>
     <dd>Neil has estimated approximately 800 bugs (of 2000 untargeted
     bugs) could be considered "old bugs". He'll prepare a table and note to
     send to project with encouragement to PLs to handle ... something like
     either triage individually and assign a target, or mark with
     'helpwanted' or mark in mass with a kind comment to re-open if still an
     issue (with reason for the mass update, etc.).</dd>
 </dl>
 <h4>Reference:</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP
     Quality Lead</a></li>
     <li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality
     Page</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Architecture

  -->
 <h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>API Tools. Tim to investigate and make recommendations to
 	teams.</li>
 	<li>Tim investigated API tools. There is a wizard that adds a
 	builder to each plugin you select to add API tools support. There were
 	some minor changes to move up to the tools (e.g. adding @noimplement
 	javadoc tag) and taking a baseline, but it did catch missing @since
 	tags, broken API, plugin versions that should be incremented, etc.
 	Would recommend for 3.1 development.</li>
 	<li>Next step is to try with plugins that have more API issues,
 	non-internal packages that shouldn't be public, etc. to see if the
 	impact to development teams is acceptable.</li>
 	<li>Also need to investigate build impact.</li>
 	<li></li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP
 	Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
 	<li>Tracking meetings and work at <a
 		href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
 	Architecture Working Group</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Education

  -->
 <h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
 <p>Naci reports web pages for education materials are about ready.
 He is writing article, as deadline is in December. Raghu was only
 response he got for being interested in contributing too.</p>
 <hr />
 <p>Please review: <a
 	href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/resources/">Resource
 Page Proposal</a></p>
 <p>Naci was approached (and countered) with some proposed articles
 for Eclipse (online) magazine [need link. only one I found last
 published in 2007?] Naci will invite authors for a series of articles
 for "WTP Uncovered":</p>
 <ol>
 	<li>web developer tools (xml, xsl, html, css)</li>
 	<li>web applications with Java (jsf, jsp, server)</li>
 	<li>enterprise application (jpa/ejb)</li>
 	<li>soa, webservices</li>
 	<li>adopters/extending (maybe)</li>
 </ol>
 <p>Naci updated us today: Publisher would like all articles in one
 issue (for an issued focused on WTP). Online version would be in
 English. Print version would be translated to German. They'd like one
 overview article less than 20,000 words, and 4 shorter, but more focused
 article on specific areas, each less than 10,000 words</p>
 <p>Naci will have some Eductation site/materials ready next week.</p>
 <p>New Bugzilla component created: "Education".</p>
 <p>We will publish education materials under <a
 	href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/">Creative
 Commons -- Attribution Share Alike</a> but still EPL for sample code,
 examples and snippets.</p>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP
 	Education Lead</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Requirements

  -->
 <h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
 <p>Raghu noted we should remind PLs to update plans every milestone.</p>
 <p><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_3.1_Project_Plan">Planning
 Process Document</a> has been started.</p>
 <p>Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a <a
 	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg01422.html">Planning
 Council message</a> (and elsewhere).</p>
 <p>Discussed options for including milestone dates and common info
 in project milestone plans vs linking to the overall WTP plan.</p>
 <hr />
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP
 	Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Planning

  -->
 <h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
 <h4>long term items to track</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li>XUL Runner IP nearing completion</li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP
 	Planning Role</a></li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Patches_for_Release_2.0.2">patch
 	process document</a></li>
 </ul>

 <!--

     User Experience

  -->
 <h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>Had <a
 		href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/JavaEE_Perspective_UIWG_Walkthrough">UI
 	Walkthrough</a></li>
 	<li>Started collecting <a
 		href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/JavaEE_Perspective_Usage_Screenshots">usage
 	data</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h4>References</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP
 	User Experience Lead</a></li>
 </ul>

 <!--

 General business

  -->
 <h2>General business?</h2>
 <h3>bugs to watch</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Discussed need for <a
 		href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=152461">bug
 	152461</a></li>
 	<li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a
 		href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245645">bug
 	245645</a></li>
 	<li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a
 		href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245573">bug
 	245573</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA
 	Tools</a></li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT
 	Texo project proposal</a></li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven
 	Integration</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h2>PMC Calendar</h2>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2009/">EclipseCon 2009</a>.</li>
 </ul>
 <hr />
 <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
 <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
 </body>
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	Call</title>
	</head>
	<body>
	<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for January 06, 2009 Conference Call</h1>
	<h2>Call Info</h2>
	<p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
	Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
	Access code: 173098# <br />
	<a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full
	list of phone numbers</a><br />
	<br />
	<a
	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
	&month=11
	&day=04
	&year=2008
	&hour=11
	&min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call
	Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>

	<h2>Attendees</h2>
	<h3>PMC Members</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>David Williams: Y</li>
	<li>Naci Dai: N</li>
	<li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
	<li>Neil Hauge: Y</li>
	<li>Tim deBoer: N</li>
	<li>Kaloyan Raev: R</li>
	</ul>

	<!--
	<h3>Invited Guests</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>Philippe Ombredanne (ATF): N</li>
	</ul>
	-->
	<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
	<ul>

	<li>Notes from 1/6/09: small, short meeting. Neil will start quality focus sections of status meetings soon. Raghu will
	send reminder to update M5 plans. Question for Naci: what's outlook of JSF, JPA, and Java EE sections of Education
	page?</li>

	<li>New Year's resolutions?
	<ul>
	<li>focus on quality? Contributed patch application?</li>
	<li>review IP Log each milestone</li>
	<li>Adopter/project awareness ... wtp special topics?</li>
	</ul>
	</li>

	<li>Naci reported "live" content!
	<p>In particular, see the "education link" in under <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/">Webtools
	Community</a>. We'll announce, promote first of next year.</p>
	</li>

	</ul>
	<!--

	Reports, Actions, Issues

	-->
	<h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
	<!--

	Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top

	-->
	<!--

	Quality

	-->
	<h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
	<dl>
	<dt>Notes:</dt>
	<dd>See previous notes for statistics.
	<p>It is be important for us to do by 'sub-project' to compare
	within our own WTP projects, as well as to other top level ones</p>
	</dd>
	<dd>Neil investigating "close old bugs" policy.</dd>
	<dd>Neil has estimated approximately 800 bugs (of 2000 untargeted
	bugs) could be considered "old bugs". He'll prepare a table and note to
	send to project with encouragement to PLs to handle ... something like
	either triage individually and assign a target, or mark with
	'helpwanted' or mark in mass with a kind comment to re-open if still an
	issue (with reason for the mass update, etc.).</dd>
	</dl>
	<h4>Reference:</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP
	Quality Lead</a></li>
	<li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality
	Page</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Architecture

	-->
	<h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>API Tools. Tim to investigate and make recommendations to
	teams.</li>
	<li>Tim investigated API tools. There is a wizard that adds a
	builder to each plugin you select to add API tools support. There were
	some minor changes to move up to the tools (e.g. adding @noimplement
	javadoc tag) and taking a baseline, but it did catch missing @since
	tags, broken API, plugin versions that should be incremented, etc.
	Would recommend for 3.1 development.</li>
	<li>Next step is to try with plugins that have more API issues,
	non-internal packages that shouldn't be public, etc. to see if the
	impact to development teams is acceptable.</li>
	<li>Also need to investigate build impact.</li>
	<li></li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP
	Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
	<li>Tracking meetings and work at <a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
	Architecture Working Group</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Education

	-->
	<h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
	<p>Naci reports web pages for education materials are about ready.
	He is writing article, as deadline is in December. Raghu was only
	response he got for being interested in contributing too.</p>
	<hr />
	<p>Please review: <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/resources/">Resource
	Page Proposal</a></p>
	<p>Naci was approached (and countered) with some proposed articles
	for Eclipse (online) magazine [need link. only one I found last
	published in 2007?] Naci will invite authors for a series of articles
	for "WTP Uncovered":</p>
	<ol>
	<li>web developer tools (xml, xsl, html, css)</li>
	<li>web applications with Java (jsf, jsp, server)</li>
	<li>enterprise application (jpa/ejb)</li>
	<li>soa, webservices</li>
	<li>adopters/extending (maybe)</li>
	</ol>
	<p>Naci updated us today: Publisher would like all articles in one
	issue (for an issued focused on WTP). Online version would be in
	English. Print version would be translated to German. They'd like one
	overview article less than 20,000 words, and 4 shorter, but more focused
	article on specific areas, each less than 10,000 words</p>
	<p>Naci will have some Eductation site/materials ready next week.</p>
	<p>New Bugzilla component created: "Education".</p>
	<p>We will publish education materials under <a
	href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/">Creative
	Commons -- Attribution Share Alike</a> but still EPL for sample code,
	examples and snippets.</p>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP
	Education Lead</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Requirements

	-->
	<h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
	<p>Raghu noted we should remind PLs to update plans every milestone.</p>
	<p><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_3.1_Project_Plan">Planning
	Process Document</a> has been started.</p>
	<p>Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a <a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg01422.html">Planning
	Council message</a> (and elsewhere).</p>
	<p>Discussed options for including milestone dates and common info
	in project milestone plans vs linking to the overall WTP plan.</p>
	<hr />
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP
	Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Planning

	-->
	<h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
	<h4>long term items to track</h4>
	<ul>
	<li>XUL Runner IP nearing completion</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP
	Planning Role</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Patches_for_Release_2.0.2">patch
	process document</a></li>
	</ul>

	<!--

	User Experience

	-->
	<h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>Had <a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/JavaEE_Perspective_UIWG_Walkthrough">UI
	Walkthrough</a></li>
	<li>Started collecting <a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/JavaEE_Perspective_Usage_Screenshots">usage
	data</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h4>References</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP
	User Experience Lead</a></li>
	</ul>

	<!--

	General business

	-->
	<h2>General business?</h2>
	<h3>bugs to watch</h3>
	<ul>
	<li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Discussed need for <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=152461">bug
	152461</a></li>
	<li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245645">bug
	245645</a></li>
	<li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245573">bug
	245573</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA
	Tools</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT
	Texo project proposal</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven
	Integration</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h2>PMC Calendar</h2>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2009/">EclipseCon 2009</a>.</li>
	</ul>
	<hr />
	<p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
	<p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
	</body>
	</html>