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 <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for October 27, 2009 Conference Call</h1>
 <h2>Call Info</h2>
 <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
 Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
 Access code: 173098# <br />
 <a
 	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full
 list of phone numbers</a><br />
 <br />
 <a
 	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
 &amp;month=20
 &amp;day=20
 &amp;year=2009
 &amp;hour=11
 &amp;min=0&amp;sec=0&amp;p1=207">Call
 Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>

 <h2>Attendees</h2>
 <h3>PMC Members</h3>
 <ul>
 	<!-- needs work to override nova? Or XSL transforms?
 	<li class="compact">David Williams: Y</li>
 	<li class="compact">Naci Dai: N</li>
 	<li class="compact">Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
 	-->
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David
 	Williams: Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: R</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan
 	Srinivasan: Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge:
 	Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer:
 	Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan
 	Raev: R</li>
 </ul>

 <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
 <ul>
 	<li>Naci provided these links to English versions of EclipseZine
 	articles:<br />
 	<a href="http://jaxenter.com/">http://jaxenter.com/</a><br />
 	<a
 		href="http://jaxenter.com/articles/09/Eclipse-Web-Tools-Platform-Uncovered.html">Eclipse-Web-Tools-Platform-Uncovered</a>
 	</li>
 	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/summiteurope2009/">Eclipse
 	Summit Europe</a> taking place this week.</li>
 	<li>JSF: Is bug <a
 		href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=293211">293211</a>
 	a reasonable 'hotbug' request? Bug <a
 		href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=292939">292939</a>?
 	<p>Raghu thought fine to discuss and bring forward. He rightly
 	emphasized importance of doing JUnit tests. He said he could not get to
 	it until next week.</p>
 	</li>
 	<li>Dali Off cycle release.
 	<ul>
 		<li>PMC gave its "pre approval", in principle, pending the actual
 		materials, etc.</li>
 		<li>It was concluded it would be best to "wait as long as
 		possible" before announcing the formal review, just in case spec
 		changes content or release date. But things within the project
 		could/should proceed as it it would be around Dec. 18th.</li>
 		<li>The issue of "how to version features" was discussed, such as
 		difference between the version number needed for proper install and
 		updates, and the more commonly known "marketing number". In this
 		off-cycle release, Dali deserves "3.0" as marketing number, since JPA
 		2.0 is a significant step forward in functionality. But, at the same
 		time, there is no "breaking API".</li>
 	</ul>
 	</li>

 	<!--
 	<li>FYI: I'm proposing a <a
 		href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=289785">"JavaScript
 	Developers"</a> package for Helios in addition to the traditional JEE one.
 	</li>
 	 - ->
 	<!- -
 	<li>Discuss project metrics?
 	<p>It was agreed this was worth the PMC looking at, from time to
 	time.</p>
 	<p>Will explore <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/org/usagedata/">UDC
 	Data</a>, in addition to fix rates, lines of code, cvs commits, number of
 	junits?</p>
 	<p>See <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/reports/Editors200907.pdf">Report
 	on Editor usage in July, 2009</a></p>
 	</li>

 	<li>Review Post Mortem? See <a
 		href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31</a>.
 	<br />
 	Biggest, most immediate concern was large number of intermittent
 	failing builds/tests.
 	<p>Notes: next steps: open bugs for good ideas that have some
 	chance of someone implementing.</p>
 	</li>
     -->
 </ul>


 <!--

 Reports, Actions, Issues

  -->
 <h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
 <!--

     Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top

 -->
 <!--

     Requirements

  -->
 <h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
 <p>?</p>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP
 	Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Planning

  -->
 <h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>?</li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP
 	Planning Role</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     User Experience

  -->
 <h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>?</li>
 </ul>
 <h4>References</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP
 	User Experience Lead</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Quality

  -->
 <h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>?</li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference:</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP
 	Quality Lead</a></li>
 	<li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality
 	Page</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Architecture

  -->
 <h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>
 	<p>?</p>
 	</li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP
 	Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
 	<li>Tracking meetings and work at <a
 		href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
 	Architecture Working Group</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Education

  -->
 <h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
 <p>?</p>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP
 	Education Lead</a></li>
 	<li>Reference: <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/">Community and
 	Education</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

 General business

  -->
 <h2>General business?</h2>
 <h3>References</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>FYI ... Eclipse Foundation has a relatively new <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/home/categories/index.php?category=enterprise">"enterprise
 	page"</a>.</li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools">WTP
 	3.2 Plans</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted:
 	<ul>
 		<li>Index search for Java EE metadata. See <a
 			href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233505">bug
 		233505</a></li>
 		<li>Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See <a
 			href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265952">bug
 		265952</a></li>
 	</ul>
 	</li>
 	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA
 	Tools</a></li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT
 	Texo project proposal</a></li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven
 	Integration</a></li>
 </ul>
 <hr />
 <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
 <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
 </body>
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	</head>
	<body>
	<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for October 27, 2009 Conference Call</h1>
	<h2>Call Info</h2>
	<p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
	Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
	Access code: 173098# <br />
	<a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full
	list of phone numbers</a><br />
	<br />
	<a
	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
	&month=20
	&day=20
	&year=2009
	&hour=11
	&min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call
	Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>

	<h2>Attendees</h2>
	<h3>PMC Members</h3>
	<ul>
	<!-- needs work to override nova? Or XSL transforms?
	<li class="compact">David Williams: Y</li>
	<li class="compact">Naci Dai: N</li>
	<li class="compact">Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
	-->
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David
	Williams: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: R</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan
	Srinivasan: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge:
	Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer:
	Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan
	Raev: R</li>
	</ul>

	<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
	<ul>
	<li>Naci provided these links to English versions of EclipseZine
	articles:<br />
	<a href="http://jaxenter.com/">http://jaxenter.com/</a><br />
	<a
	href="http://jaxenter.com/articles/09/Eclipse-Web-Tools-Platform-Uncovered.html">Eclipse-Web-Tools-Platform-Uncovered</a>
	</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/summiteurope2009/">Eclipse
	Summit Europe</a> taking place this week.</li>
	<li>JSF: Is bug <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=293211">293211</a>
	a reasonable 'hotbug' request? Bug <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=292939">292939</a>?
	<p>Raghu thought fine to discuss and bring forward. He rightly
	emphasized importance of doing JUnit tests. He said he could not get to
	it until next week.</p>
	</li>
	<li>Dali Off cycle release.
	<ul>
	<li>PMC gave its "pre approval", in principle, pending the actual
	materials, etc.</li>
	<li>It was concluded it would be best to "wait as long as
	possible" before announcing the formal review, just in case spec
	changes content or release date. But things within the project
	could/should proceed as it it would be around Dec. 18th.</li>
	<li>The issue of "how to version features" was discussed, such as
	difference between the version number needed for proper install and
	updates, and the more commonly known "marketing number". In this
	off-cycle release, Dali deserves "3.0" as marketing number, since JPA
	2.0 is a significant step forward in functionality. But, at the same
	time, there is no "breaking API".</li>
	</ul>
	</li>

	<!--
	<li>FYI: I'm proposing a <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=289785">"JavaScript
	Developers"</a> package for Helios in addition to the traditional JEE one.
	</li>
	- ->
	<!- -
	<li>Discuss project metrics?
	<p>It was agreed this was worth the PMC looking at, from time to
	time.</p>
	<p>Will explore <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/org/usagedata/">UDC
	Data</a>, in addition to fix rates, lines of code, cvs commits, number of
	junits?</p>
	<p>See <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/reports/Editors200907.pdf">Report
	on Editor usage in July, 2009</a></p>
	</li>

	<li>Review Post Mortem? See <a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31</a>.
	<br />
	Biggest, most immediate concern was large number of intermittent
	failing builds/tests.
	<p>Notes: next steps: open bugs for good ideas that have some
	chance of someone implementing.</p>
	</li>
	-->
	</ul>


	<!--

	Reports, Actions, Issues

	-->
	<h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
	<!--

	Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top

	-->
	<!--

	Requirements

	-->
	<h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
	<p>?</p>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP
	Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Planning

	-->
	<h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>?</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP
	Planning Role</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	User Experience

	-->
	<h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>?</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>References</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP
	User Experience Lead</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Quality

	-->
	<h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>?</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference:</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP
	Quality Lead</a></li>
	<li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality
	Page</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Architecture

	-->
	<h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>
	<p>?</p>
	</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP
	Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
	<li>Tracking meetings and work at <a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
	Architecture Working Group</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Education

	-->
	<h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
	<p>?</p>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP
	Education Lead</a></li>
	<li>Reference: <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/">Community and
	Education</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	General business

	-->
	<h2>General business?</h2>
	<h3>References</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>FYI ... Eclipse Foundation has a relatively new <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/home/categories/index.php?category=enterprise">"enterprise
	page"</a>.</li>
	<li><a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools">WTP
	3.2 Plans</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted:
	<ul>
	<li>Index search for Java EE metadata. See <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233505">bug
	233505</a></li>
	<li>Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265952">bug
	265952</a></li>
	</ul>
	</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA
	Tools</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT
	Texo project proposal</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven
	Integration</a></li>
	</ul>
	<hr />
	<p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
	<p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
	</body>
	</html>