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 <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for November 10, 2009 Conference Call</h1>
 <h2>Call Info</h2>
 <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
 Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
 Access code: 173098# <br />
 <a
 	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full
 list of phone numbers</a><br />
 <br />
 <a
 	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
 &amp;month=11
 &amp;day=03
 &amp;year=2009
 &amp;hour=11
 &amp;min=0&amp;sec=0&amp;p1=207">Call
 Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>

 <h2>Attendees</h2>
 <h3>PMC Members</h3>
 <ul>
 	<!-- needs work to override nova? Or XSL transforms?
 	<li class="compact">David Williams: Y</li>
 	<li class="compact">Naci Dai: N</li>
 	<li class="compact">Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
 	-->
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David
 	Williams: Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: N</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan
 	Srinivasan: Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge:
 	Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer:
 	Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan
 	Raev: Y</li>
 </ul>

 <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
 <ul>


 	<li>Dali Off cycle release -- to be or not to be?
 	<p>Neil will announce changes to plan later today.</p>
 	</li>

 	<li>Notes:
 	<p>Raghu mentioned he'll need a patch for 3.1.1, for deadlock
 	issue.</p>
 	</li>

 	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2010/">EclipseCon 2010</a>:
 	Time to recruit submissions.
 	<p>Notes: some interest in application models (traditional Java EE
 	ones, vs. OSGi Blueprint Services.</p>

 	<p>General interest in topics such as "Future of IDEs", "Future of
 	Eclipse Foundation", "State and Future of Open Source".</p>
 	</li>

 	<!--
 	<li>FYI: I'm proposing a <a
 		href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=289785">"JavaScript
 	Developers"</a> package for Helios in addition to the traditional JEE one.
 	</li>
 	 - ->
 	<!- -
 	<li>Discuss project metrics?
 	<p>It was agreed this was worth the PMC looking at, from time to
 	time.</p>
 	<p>Will explore <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/org/usagedata/">UDC
 	Data</a>, in addition to fix rates, lines of code, cvs commits, number of
 	junits?</p>
 	<p>See <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/reports/Editors200907.pdf">Report
 	on Editor usage in July, 2009</a></p>
 	</li>

 	<li>Review Post Mortem? See <a
 		href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31</a>.
 	<br />
 	Biggest, most immediate concern was large number of intermittent
 	failing builds/tests.
 	<p>Notes: next steps: open bugs for good ideas that have some
 	chance of someone implementing.</p>
 	</li>
     -->
 </ul>


 <!--

 Reports, Actions, Issues

  -->
 <h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
 <!--

     Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top

 -->
 <!--

     Requirements

  -->
 <h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
 <p>?</p>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP
 	Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Planning

  -->
 <h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>?</li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP
 	Planning Role</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     User Experience

  -->
 <h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>?</li>
 </ul>
 <h4>References</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP
 	User Experience Lead</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Quality

  -->
 <h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>?</li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference:</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP
 	Quality Lead</a></li>
 	<li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality
 	Page</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Architecture

  -->
 <h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>
 	<p>?</p>
 	</li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP
 	Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
 	<li>Tracking meetings and work at <a
 		href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
 	Architecture Working Group</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Education

  -->
 <h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
 <p>?</p>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
 	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP
 	Education Lead</a></li>
 	<li>Reference: <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/">Community and
 	Education</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

 General business

  -->
 <h2>General business?</h2>
 <h3>References</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>FYI ... Eclipse Foundation has a relatively new <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/home/categories/index.php?category=enterprise">"enterprise
 	page"</a>.</li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools">WTP
 	3.2 Plans</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted:
 	<ul>
 		<li>Index search for Java EE metadata. See <a
 			href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233505">bug
 		233505</a></li>
 		<li>Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See <a
 			href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265952">bug
 		265952</a></li>
 	</ul>
 	</li>
 	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA
 	Tools</a></li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT
 	Texo project proposal</a></li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven
 	Integration</a></li>
 </ul>
 <hr />
 <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
 <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
 </body>
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	<title>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for November 10, 2009 Conference
	Call</title>
	</head>
	<body>
	<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for November 10, 2009 Conference Call</h1>
	<h2>Call Info</h2>
	<p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
	Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
	Access code: 173098# <br />
	<a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full
	list of phone numbers</a><br />
	<br />
	<a
	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
	&month=11
	&day=03
	&year=2009
	&hour=11
	&min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call
	Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>

	<h2>Attendees</h2>
	<h3>PMC Members</h3>
	<ul>
	<!-- needs work to override nova? Or XSL transforms?
	<li class="compact">David Williams: Y</li>
	<li class="compact">Naci Dai: N</li>
	<li class="compact">Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
	-->
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David
	Williams: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: N</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan
	Srinivasan: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge:
	Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer:
	Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan
	Raev: Y</li>
	</ul>

	<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
	<ul>


	<li>Dali Off cycle release -- to be or not to be?
	<p>Neil will announce changes to plan later today.</p>
	</li>

	<li>Notes:
	<p>Raghu mentioned he'll need a patch for 3.1.1, for deadlock
	issue.</p>
	</li>

	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2010/">EclipseCon 2010</a>:
	Time to recruit submissions.
	<p>Notes: some interest in application models (traditional Java EE
	ones, vs. OSGi Blueprint Services.</p>

	<p>General interest in topics such as "Future of IDEs", "Future of
	Eclipse Foundation", "State and Future of Open Source".</p>
	</li>

	<!--
	<li>FYI: I'm proposing a <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=289785">"JavaScript
	Developers"</a> package for Helios in addition to the traditional JEE one.
	</li>
	- ->
	<!- -
	<li>Discuss project metrics?
	<p>It was agreed this was worth the PMC looking at, from time to
	time.</p>
	<p>Will explore <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/org/usagedata/">UDC
	Data</a>, in addition to fix rates, lines of code, cvs commits, number of
	junits?</p>
	<p>See <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/reports/Editors200907.pdf">Report
	on Editor usage in July, 2009</a></p>
	</li>

	<li>Review Post Mortem? See <a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31</a>.
	<br />
	Biggest, most immediate concern was large number of intermittent
	failing builds/tests.
	<p>Notes: next steps: open bugs for good ideas that have some
	chance of someone implementing.</p>
	</li>
	-->
	</ul>


	<!--

	Reports, Actions, Issues

	-->
	<h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
	<!--

	Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top

	-->
	<!--

	Requirements

	-->
	<h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
	<p>?</p>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP
	Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Planning

	-->
	<h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>?</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP
	Planning Role</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	User Experience

	-->
	<h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>?</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>References</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP
	User Experience Lead</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Quality

	-->
	<h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>?</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference:</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP
	Quality Lead</a></li>
	<li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality
	Page</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Architecture

	-->
	<h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>
	<p>?</p>
	</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP
	Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
	<li>Tracking meetings and work at <a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
	Architecture Working Group</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Education

	-->
	<h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
	<p>?</p>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP
	Education Lead</a></li>
	<li>Reference: <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/">Community and
	Education</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	General business

	-->
	<h2>General business?</h2>
	<h3>References</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>FYI ... Eclipse Foundation has a relatively new <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/home/categories/index.php?category=enterprise">"enterprise
	page"</a>.</li>
	<li><a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools">WTP
	3.2 Plans</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted:
	<ul>
	<li>Index search for Java EE metadata. See <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233505">bug
	233505</a></li>
	<li>Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265952">bug
	265952</a></li>
	</ul>
	</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA
	Tools</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT
	Texo project proposal</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven
	Integration</a></li>
	</ul>
	<hr />
	<p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
	<p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
	</body>
	</html>