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 <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for January 12, 2010 Conference Call</h1>
 <h2>Call Info</h2>
 <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
 Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
 Access code: 173098# <br />
 <a
 	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full
 list of phone numbers</a><br />
 <br />
 <a
 	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
 &amp;month=01
 &amp;day=05
 &amp;year=2010
 &amp;hour=11
 &amp;min=0&amp;sec=0&amp;p1=207">Call
 Time: 1600 UTC</a></p>


 <h2>Attendees</h2>
 <h3>PMC Members</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David
 	Williams: Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: N</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan
 	Srinivasan: Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge:
 	Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer:
 	Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan
 	Raev: Y</li>
 </ul>


 <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
 <ul>
 	<li>EclipseCon Disucssion: any push back for WTP Uncovered
 	Tutorial?
 	<p>While not literally PMC business, discussed the Raghu and Neil.
 	It was felt reducing time would substantially change nature of the
 	tutorial, especially since there are "new" things to cover, such as
 	Java EE 6, JPA 2.0, JSF 2.0.</p>
 	</li>

 	<li>Like new logo?
 	<p>Rather than "yes/no", Raghu had suggestions for improvement!
 	Naci volunteered that he'd consider, and by next week propose a plan.
 	For at least web page WTP logo (perhaps Java IDE Intro page too?).</p>
 	<p>Naci was not all call. It was thought some improvement needed,
 	if widespread use expected.</p>
 	</li>

 	<li>TODO: create "works with" CQs (Instead of all at once, I'll do
 	a few this week, to confirm, then others)
 	<p>I have opened our "test" case to see IP Staff's reaction. Please
 	see (and/or comment on) <a
 		href="https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3694">CQ
 	3694</a></p>
 	<p>See "3rd party" section of <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/releaseReviews/200906/WebTools3.1-ip-log.pdf">last
 	year's IP Log</a> for areas we need to cover:</p>
 	<ul>
 		<li><a
 			href="https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3694">Application
 		Servers</a></li>
 		<li><a
 			href="https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2775">Java
 		Persistence Frameworks</a></li>
 		<li><a
 			href="https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3696">JSF
 		Runtimes and Component Libraries</a></li>
 		<li><a
 			href="https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3695">Axis2
 		Runtimes</a></li>
 		<li>XDoclet</li>
 		<li>ICU: we'll probably skip this one. I don't think anyone else
 		lists it. Should be an "exempt pre-req" for everyone.</li>
 	</ul>

 	<p>For reference, see the <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/Eclipse_Policy_and_Procedure_for_3rd_Party_Dependencies_Final.pdf">Board
 	Resolution</a>.</p>

 	</li>

 	<li>Should we, as PMC, discuss <a
 		href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=298906">bug
 	298906</a>?
 	<p>Discussed some. Sounded like mixed version project compatibility
 	was important for some known adopters. After meeting, a reference was
 	found to <a
 		href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Web_Tools_Platform_2.0_Plan#Compatibility_with_Other_WTP_Releases">
 	old plan requirement</a> was first expressed. Apparently we have not stated
 	since.</p>
 	<p>TODO: current plan (and previous one) left the "compatibility"
 	section blank. We should fill in, so expectations are clear.</p>
 	</li>

 	<li>A newly proposed, interesting, possbily "web tools" related,
 	project: <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/virgo/">Virgo</a>.
 	<p>Tim pointed out the "WTP and PDE" comments. This would be a good
 	time to fix our charter, so its clear to not exclude such work.</p>
 	</li>

 	<li>Any discussion around <a
 		href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=288419">XQuery
 	"Adapters"?</a>
 	<p>Not much expertise on PMC, apparently. No discussion.</p>
 	</li>

 	<li>New year resolutions?
 	<p>There is a need, and interest!, to discuss high level, big
 	picture aspects of the WTP project. We'll schedule that for next week,
 	to give PMC Members time to think about it, and time to plan what
 	things they can volunteer for. Some possible items mentioned were:</p>
 	<ul>
 		<li>API, stability</li>
 		<li>scope? osgi spec's?</li>
 		<li>more "press"? as it is popular</li>
 		<li><a
 			href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Continuous
 		Improvement Notes</a></li>
 	</ul>
 	<p>We'll have next agenda too.</p>
 	</li>

 </ul>

 <h2>Handy Links from past meetings</h2>
 <h3>References</h3>
 <ul>

 	<li><a
 		href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Continuous
 	Improvement Notes</a></li>
 	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2010/">EclipseCon 2010</a></li>

 	<li>FYI ... Eclipse Foundation has a relatively new <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/home/categories/index.php?category=enterprise">"enterprise
 	page"</a>.</li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools">WTP
 	3.2 Plans</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted:
 	<ul>
 		<li>Index search for Java EE metadata. See <a
 			href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233505">bug
 		233505</a></li>
 		<li>Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See <a
 			href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265952">bug
 		265952</a></li>
 	</ul>
 	</li>
 	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA
 	Tools</a></li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT
 	Texo project proposal</a></li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven
 	Integration</a></li>
 </ul>
 <hr />
 <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
 <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
 </body>
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	<title>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for January 12, 2010 Conference
	Call</title>
	</head>
	<body>
	<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for January 12, 2010 Conference Call</h1>
	<h2>Call Info</h2>
	<p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
	Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
	Access code: 173098# <br />
	<a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full
	list of phone numbers</a><br />
	<br />
	<a
	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
	&month=01
	&day=05
	&year=2010
	&hour=11
	&min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call
	Time: 1600 UTC</a></p>


	<h2>Attendees</h2>
	<h3>PMC Members</h3>
	<ul>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David
	Williams: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: N</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan
	Srinivasan: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge:
	Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer:
	Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan
	Raev: Y</li>
	</ul>


	<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
	<ul>
	<li>EclipseCon Disucssion: any push back for WTP Uncovered
	Tutorial?
	<p>While not literally PMC business, discussed the Raghu and Neil.
	It was felt reducing time would substantially change nature of the
	tutorial, especially since there are "new" things to cover, such as
	Java EE 6, JPA 2.0, JSF 2.0.</p>
	</li>

	<li>Like new logo?
	<p>Rather than "yes/no", Raghu had suggestions for improvement!
	Naci volunteered that he'd consider, and by next week propose a plan.
	For at least web page WTP logo (perhaps Java IDE Intro page too?).</p>
	<p>Naci was not all call. It was thought some improvement needed,
	if widespread use expected.</p>
	</li>

	<li>TODO: create "works with" CQs (Instead of all at once, I'll do
	a few this week, to confirm, then others)
	<p>I have opened our "test" case to see IP Staff's reaction. Please
	see (and/or comment on) <a
	href="https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3694">CQ
	3694</a></p>
	<p>See "3rd party" section of <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/releaseReviews/200906/WebTools3.1-ip-log.pdf">last
	year's IP Log</a> for areas we need to cover:</p>
	<ul>
	<li><a
	href="https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3694">Application
	Servers</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2775">Java
	Persistence Frameworks</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3696">JSF
	Runtimes and Component Libraries</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3695">Axis2
	Runtimes</a></li>
	<li>XDoclet</li>
	<li>ICU: we'll probably skip this one. I don't think anyone else
	lists it. Should be an "exempt pre-req" for everyone.</li>
	</ul>

	<p>For reference, see the <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/Eclipse_Policy_and_Procedure_for_3rd_Party_Dependencies_Final.pdf">Board
	Resolution</a>.</p>

	</li>

	<li>Should we, as PMC, discuss <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=298906">bug
	298906</a>?
	<p>Discussed some. Sounded like mixed version project compatibility
	was important for some known adopters. After meeting, a reference was
	found to <a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Web_Tools_Platform_2.0_Plan#Compatibility_with_Other_WTP_Releases">
	old plan requirement</a> was first expressed. Apparently we have not stated
	since.</p>
	<p>TODO: current plan (and previous one) left the "compatibility"
	section blank. We should fill in, so expectations are clear.</p>
	</li>

	<li>A newly proposed, interesting, possbily "web tools" related,
	project: <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/virgo/">Virgo</a>.
	<p>Tim pointed out the "WTP and PDE" comments. This would be a good
	time to fix our charter, so its clear to not exclude such work.</p>
	</li>

	<li>Any discussion around <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=288419">XQuery
	"Adapters"?</a>
	<p>Not much expertise on PMC, apparently. No discussion.</p>
	</li>

	<li>New year resolutions?
	<p>There is a need, and interest!, to discuss high level, big
	picture aspects of the WTP project. We'll schedule that for next week,
	to give PMC Members time to think about it, and time to plan what
	things they can volunteer for. Some possible items mentioned were:</p>
	<ul>
	<li>API, stability</li>
	<li>scope? osgi spec's?</li>
	<li>more "press"? as it is popular</li>
	<li><a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Continuous
	Improvement Notes</a></li>
	</ul>
	<p>We'll have next agenda too.</p>
	</li>

	</ul>

	<h2>Handy Links from past meetings</h2>
	<h3>References</h3>
	<ul>

	<li><a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Continuous
	Improvement Notes</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2010/">EclipseCon 2010</a></li>

	<li>FYI ... Eclipse Foundation has a relatively new <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/home/categories/index.php?category=enterprise">"enterprise
	page"</a>.</li>
	<li><a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools">WTP
	3.2 Plans</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted:
	<ul>
	<li>Index search for Java EE metadata. See <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233505">bug
	233505</a></li>
	<li>Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265952">bug
	265952</a></li>
	</ul>
	</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA
	Tools</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT
	Texo project proposal</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven
	Integration</a></li>
	</ul>
	<hr />
	<p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
	<p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
	</body>
	</html>