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| <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for January 19, 2010 Conference Call</h1> |
| <h2>Call Info</h2> |
| <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br /> |
| Alternate: 770-615-1247<br /> |
| Access code: 173098# <br /> |
| <a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full |
| list of phone numbers</a><br /> |
| <br /> |
| <a |
| href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107 |
| &month=01 |
| &day=05 |
| &year=2010 |
| &hour=11 |
| &min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call |
| Time: 1600 UTC</a></p> |
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| <h2>Attendees</h2> |
| <h3>PMC Members</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David |
| Williams: Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: N</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan |
| Srinivasan: Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge: |
| Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer: |
| Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan |
| Raev: Y</li> |
| </ul> |
| |
| |
| <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2> |
| <ul> |
| <li>EclipseCon |
| <ul> |
| <li>Congratulations! (and thanks) |
| <ul> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1233">1233 |
| WTP Uncovered - All you need to know about building applications with |
| WTP</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1111">1111 |
| Building Server-Side Eclipse based web applications</a></li> |
| |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1226">1226 |
| Java EE 6 application development, OSGi and Eclipse users</a></li> |
| |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1254">1254 |
| OSGi Enterprise for Java EE Developers</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1290">1290 |
| Apache Aries: Enterprise OSGi in Action</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1333">1333 |
| The state of the art in Spring and Grails developer tooling</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1352">1352 |
| JPA 2.0 and Dali: Developing for Java EE 6 </a></li> |
| |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1316">1316 |
| Using JPA in OSGi</a></li> |
| |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1372">1372 |
| Building JSF 2.0 Web Application with the JSF Tools Project</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1392">1392 |
| OSGi & Java EE in GlassFish</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1125">1125 |
| Gemini - Helping Shape the Future of Enterprise Java</a></li> |
| |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1088">1088 |
| OSamI Tools for OSGi Application Developers</a></li> |
| |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1109">1109 |
| Teaching XSL Tools New Tricks</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1163">1163 |
| XQDT - XQuery Getting Momentum in Eclipse</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1413">1413 |
| Down the Rabbit Hole: A Single Character in the XML Editor</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1419">1419 |
| Binding EMF object to existing data models</a></li> |
| |
| |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1293">1293 |
| Developing Eclipse Plug-ins with JavaScript</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1295">1295 |
| JavaScript Debugged</a></li> |
| |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1440">1440 |
| Inside/Outside: Editor Templates and WTP\'s Snippets View</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| <li>Regrets not all good proposals could be accepted |
| <ul> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1075">1075 |
| Java EE 6 development with Eclipse and GlassFish</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1112">1112 |
| Developing Multi-Tenant SaaS Applications</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1194">1194 |
| Developing and running web-apps in OSGi with Jetty</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1216">1216 |
| Click out your JPA model</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1238">1238 |
| dm Server 2.0</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1288">1288 |
| Developing Equinox OSGi Applications with EclipseLink---Even Better |
| in Helios!</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1314">1314 |
| JPA with EclipseLink for more than just Java</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1353">1353 |
| Migrating from JPA 1.0 to 2.0 with Dali</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1361">1361 |
| Modular Web Application Development with OSGi</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1396">1396 |
| Some Assembly Required</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1423">1423 |
| Solving ALL your Persistence Needs with EclipseLink</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1434">1434 |
| A new way of creating web services from database resources using |
| EclipseLink DBWS</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://www.eclipsecon.org/submissions/2010/view_talk.php?id=1460">1460 |
| Developing Simple OpenJPA applications in Eclipse </a></li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| <li>New logo? |
| <p>1/12/2010 Naci volunteered that he'd consider, and propose a |
| plan. For at least web page WTP logo (perhaps Java EE IDE Intro page |
| too?).</p> |
| </li> |
| |
| <li>TODO: create "works with" CQs (all done!) |
| <p>See "3rd party" section of <a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/releaseReviews/200906/WebTools3.1-ip-log.pdf">last |
| year's IP Log</a> for areas we need to cover:</p> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3694">Application |
| Servers</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=2775">Java |
| Persistence Frameworks</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3696">JSF |
| Runtimes and Component Libraries</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3695">Axis2 |
| Runtimes</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://dev.eclipse.org/ipzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=3701">XDoclet</a></li> |
| <li>ICU: let's skip this one (unless we hear otherwise) since we |
| just use what's in the platform. I don't think anyone else lists it. |
| Should be an "exempt pre-req" for everyone. (though technically, even |
| exempt pre-req's should be listed).</li> |
| </ul> |
| |
| <p>For reference, see the <a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/org/documents/Eclipse_Policy_and_Procedure_for_3rd_Party_Dependencies_Final.pdf">Board |
| Resolution</a>.</p> |
| |
| <p>Do these show up properly in Auto IP Logs?</p> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/ip_log.php?projectid=webtools.servertools">Server |
| Tools</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/ip_log.php?projectid=webtools.webservices">Webservices</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/ip_log.php?projectid=webtools.jsf">JSF</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/ip_log.php?projectid=webtools.ejbtools">EJB |
| Tools</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/ip_log.php?projectid=webtools.dali">Dali</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| |
| <li>Let's Review some WTP and Eclipse principles of open source |
| development and governance. |
| <p>For reference, please re-read the <a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/Eclipse_Standard_TopLevel_Charter_v1.0.php">Eclipse |
| Standard Charter</a>. In particular, read the section titled "The |
| Development Process". I'd like to make sure we all have the same |
| understanding of that section? Here's mine:</p> |
| <ul> |
| <li>The status quo is the rule. Change is the exception.</li> |
| <li>Committers of a sub-project must all agree to change code |
| base. (Isn't this the fundamental part of Eclispe governance?)</li> |
| <li>PMC defines the process. Which we haven't done!?</li> |
| </ul> |
| <p>Noted from meeting: It was agreed to (continue to) discuss this more later.</p> |
| </li> |
| |
| |
| <li>Let's establish "mixed version project interoperability |
| requirement" |
| <p>Noted from meeting: It was agreed to (continue to) discuss this more later.</p> |
| |
| <p>For background, see <a |
| href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=298906">bug |
| 298906</a> where the co-existence requirement is broken. The <a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Web_Tools_Platform_2.0_Plan#Compatibility_with_Other_WTP_Releases"> |
| 2.0 plan requirement</a> where the co-existence requirement was first |
| expressed. The <a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Web_Tools_Platform_Release_3.0_Requirements#Upgrade_Path">3.0 |
| plan</a> had some upgrade path requirements, apparently taken directly from |
| that year's <a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/RequirementsCouncilThemesAndPriorities#Upgrade_Path">Requirements |
| Council's Theames and Priorities</a>. We left blank for 3.1 plan, and (so |
| far) for <a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools#compatibility">3.2 |
| plan</a>. See also the <a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=eclipse#compatibility">Platform's |
| Plan statement of "no gaurentee"</a>, but in reality (historically, for |
| many years) they do support, as described per their latest release's <a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/readme_eclipse_3.5.1.html#Interoperability%20with%20Previous%20Releases">readme |
| file</a>.</p> |
| </li> |
| |
| <li>Discuss W4 incubator project.</li> |
| |
| <li>New year resolutions? |
| <p>There is a need, and interest!, to discuss high level, big |
| picture aspects of the WTP project. Some possible items are listed |
| below. Remember, to actually do anything, will require someone to |
| volunteer to do the work.</p> |
| <ul> |
| <li>API, stability</li> |
| <li>scope? osgi spec's?</li> |
| <li>more "press"? as it is popular</li> |
| <li>e4? Can we sign up for "be compatible with e4 in 2011"</li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Continuous |
| Improvement Notes</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <p>We'll have next agenda too.</p> |
| </li> |
| |
| </ul> |
| |
| <h2>Handy Links from past meetings</h2> |
| <h3>References</h3> |
| <ul> |
| |
| <li><a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Continuous |
| Improvement Notes</a></li> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2010/">EclipseCon 2010</a></li> |
| |
| <li>FYI ... Eclipse Foundation has a relatively new <a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/home/categories/index.php?category=enterprise">"enterprise |
| page"</a>.</li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools">WTP |
| 3.2 Plans</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Other projects to watch:</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted: |
| <ul> |
| <li>Index search for Java EE metadata. See <a |
| href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233505">bug |
| 233505</a></li> |
| <li>Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See <a |
| href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265952">bug |
| 265952</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA |
| Tools</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT |
| Texo project proposal</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven |
| Integration</a></li> |
| </ul> |
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