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 <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for February 09, 2010 Conference Call</h1>
 <h2>Call Info</h2>
 <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
 Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
 Access code: 173098# <br />
 <a
 	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full
 list of phone numbers</a><br />
 <br />
 <a
 	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
 &amp;month=02
 &amp;day=02
 &amp;year=2010
 &amp;hour=11
 &amp;min=0&amp;sec=0&amp;p1=207">Call
 Time: 8:00 AM Pacific; 11:00 AM Eastern; 1600 UTC</a></p>

 <!--
 <h2>Attendees</h2>
 <h3>PMC Members</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David
 	Williams: Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: R</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan
 	Srinivasan: Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge:
 	Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer:
 	R</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan
 	Raev: Y</li>
 </ul>
  -->


 <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
 <ul>

 	<li>JSDT creation review on February 10.</li>

 	<li>JAX-WS component in incubator planning to graduate, March 10.</li>

 	<li>Common Project Lead.
 	<p>I will notify EMO Tuesday afternoon (the one week limit).</p>
 	</li>

 	<li>New logo and website content
 	<p>How to generate interest and work aound website and logo? (See
 	bug <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=301940">301940</a>
 	and <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=300475">300475</a>.)
 	</p>
 	</li>

 	<li>Statement to committers on Accessibilty Requirement, sound ok?
 	<p>The Simultaneous Release Requirements have an <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/helios/planning/EclipseSimultaneousRelease.php">Accessibilty
 	Requirement</a> to report Accessibility Compliance by using "... a
 	publically available checklist ...". While for Helios Release required
 	documentation, we will provide one, "rolled up" checklist for all of
 	WTP, the PMC would like to ask each sub-project to do their own
 	evaluations and tests and provide their own checklist report, specific
 	to their sub-project. For consistency, we recommend the sub-projects
 	use these:</p>
 	<ul>
 		<li><a
 			href="http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/software/accesssoftware.html">Software</a></li>
 		<li><a
 			href="http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/documentation/accessdoc.html">Documentation</a></li>
 		<li><a
 			href="http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/web/accessweb.html">Web</a></li>
 	</ul>
 	<p>Additionally, where tools can be used to test compliance, we
 	recommend JAWS be used. (This is not free, open source software, so we
 	can not require it, but we know a number of committers do in fact have
 	versions or licenses to use it, so, when possible, for consistency,
 	would be good to use it.) There are other tools available, as mentioned
 	in <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/helios/planning/EclipseSimultaneousRelease.php">The
 	Simultaneous Release Requirements.</a> Also, be sure to read the updated
 	Eclipse Corner Article, <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/articles/article.php?file=Article-Accessibility351/index.html">Designing
 	Accessible Plug-ins in Eclipse</a> for how to program for accessibility to
 	begin with.</p>
 	</li>

 	<li>mixed version project interoperability requirement
 	<p>Pending (I'll writeup statement for PMC review, first).</p>
 	</li>

 	<li>Review WTP and Eclipse principles of open source development
 	and governance.
 	<p>Pending. I'm working on FAQ (for PMC review, first).</p>
 	</li>

 	<li>New year resolutions?
 	<p>There is a need, and interest!, to discuss high level, big
 	picture aspects of the WTP project. Some possible items are listed
 	below. Remember, to actually do anything, will require someone to
 	volunteer to do the work.</p>
 	<ul>
 		<li>Discuss W4 incubator project. (Raghu)</li>
 		<li>API, stability</li>
 		<li>scope? osgi spec's?</li>
 		<li>more "press"? as it is popular</li>
 		<li>e4? Can we sign up for "be compatible with e4 in 2011"
 		<p>Notes from meeting: This was only "new years resolution"
 		discussed. We mentioned 4 points:</p>
 		<ul>
 			<li>need feedback from adopter products on
 			importance/explotation of e4</li>
 			<li>needed nonAPI scans first to see how far off we are, from
 			using compatibility layer.</li>
 			<li>may need help from Platform to provide more API?</li>
 			<li>we ourselves may need to provide more API!? Are any of our
 			functions sensitive to e4?</li>
 		</ul>
 		</li>
 		<li><a
 			href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Continuous
 		Improvement Notes</a></li>
 	</ul>
 	<p>We'll have next agenda too.</p>
 	</li>

 </ul>

 <h2>Handy Links from past meetings</h2>
 <h3>References</h3>
 <ul>

 	<li><a
 		href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Continuous
 	Improvement Notes</a></li>
 	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2010/">EclipseCon 2010</a></li>

 	<li>FYI ... Eclipse Foundation has a relatively new <a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/home/categories/index.php?category=enterprise">"enterprise
 	page"</a>.</li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools">WTP
 	3.2 Plans</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted:
 	<ul>
 		<li>Index search for Java EE metadata. See <a
 			href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233505">bug
 		233505</a></li>
 		<li>Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See <a
 			href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265952">bug
 		265952</a></li>
 	</ul>
 	</li>
 	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA
 	Tools</a></li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT
 	Texo project proposal</a></li>
 	<li><a
 		href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven
 	Integration</a></li>
 </ul>
 <hr />
 <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
 <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
 </body>
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	<title>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for February 09, 2010 Conference
	Call</title>
	</head>
	<body>
	<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for February 09, 2010 Conference Call</h1>
	<h2>Call Info</h2>
	<p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
	Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
	Access code: 173098# <br />
	<a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full
	list of phone numbers</a><br />
	<br />
	<a
	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
	&month=02
	&day=02
	&year=2010
	&hour=11
	&min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call
	Time: 8:00 AM Pacific; 11:00 AM Eastern; 1600 UTC</a></p>

	<!--
	<h2>Attendees</h2>
	<h3>PMC Members</h3>
	<ul>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David
	Williams: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: R</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan
	Srinivasan: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge:
	Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer:
	R</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan
	Raev: Y</li>
	</ul>
	-->


	<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
	<ul>

	<li>JSDT creation review on February 10.</li>

	<li>JAX-WS component in incubator planning to graduate, March 10.</li>

	<li>Common Project Lead.
	<p>I will notify EMO Tuesday afternoon (the one week limit).</p>
	</li>

	<li>New logo and website content
	<p>How to generate interest and work aound website and logo? (See
	bug <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=301940">301940</a>
	and <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=300475">300475</a>.)
	</p>
	</li>

	<li>Statement to committers on Accessibilty Requirement, sound ok?
	<p>The Simultaneous Release Requirements have an <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/helios/planning/EclipseSimultaneousRelease.php">Accessibilty
	Requirement</a> to report Accessibility Compliance by using "... a
	publically available checklist ...". While for Helios Release required
	documentation, we will provide one, "rolled up" checklist for all of
	WTP, the PMC would like to ask each sub-project to do their own
	evaluations and tests and provide their own checklist report, specific
	to their sub-project. For consistency, we recommend the sub-projects
	use these:</p>
	<ul>
	<li><a
	href="http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/software/accesssoftware.html">Software</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/documentation/accessdoc.html">Documentation</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://www-03.ibm.com/able/guidelines/web/accessweb.html">Web</a></li>
	</ul>
	<p>Additionally, where tools can be used to test compliance, we
	recommend JAWS be used. (This is not free, open source software, so we
	can not require it, but we know a number of committers do in fact have
	versions or licenses to use it, so, when possible, for consistency,
	would be good to use it.) There are other tools available, as mentioned
	in <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/helios/planning/EclipseSimultaneousRelease.php">The
	Simultaneous Release Requirements.</a> Also, be sure to read the updated
	Eclipse Corner Article, <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/articles/article.php?file=Article-Accessibility351/index.html">Designing
	Accessible Plug-ins in Eclipse</a> for how to program for accessibility to
	begin with.</p>
	</li>

	<li>mixed version project interoperability requirement
	<p>Pending (I'll writeup statement for PMC review, first).</p>
	</li>

	<li>Review WTP and Eclipse principles of open source development
	and governance.
	<p>Pending. I'm working on FAQ (for PMC review, first).</p>
	</li>

	<li>New year resolutions?
	<p>There is a need, and interest!, to discuss high level, big
	picture aspects of the WTP project. Some possible items are listed
	below. Remember, to actually do anything, will require someone to
	volunteer to do the work.</p>
	<ul>
	<li>Discuss W4 incubator project. (Raghu)</li>
	<li>API, stability</li>
	<li>scope? osgi spec's?</li>
	<li>more "press"? as it is popular</li>
	<li>e4? Can we sign up for "be compatible with e4 in 2011"
	<p>Notes from meeting: This was only "new years resolution"
	discussed. We mentioned 4 points:</p>
	<ul>
	<li>need feedback from adopter products on
	importance/explotation of e4</li>
	<li>needed nonAPI scans first to see how far off we are, from
	using compatibility layer.</li>
	<li>may need help from Platform to provide more API?</li>
	<li>we ourselves may need to provide more API!? Are any of our
	functions sensitive to e4?</li>
	</ul>
	</li>
	<li><a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Continuous
	Improvement Notes</a></li>
	</ul>
	<p>We'll have next agenda too.</p>
	</li>

	</ul>

	<h2>Handy Links from past meetings</h2>
	<h3>References</h3>
	<ul>

	<li><a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Continuous
	Improvement Notes</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2010/">EclipseCon 2010</a></li>

	<li>FYI ... Eclipse Foundation has a relatively new <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/home/categories/index.php?category=enterprise">"enterprise
	page"</a>.</li>
	<li><a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools">WTP
	3.2 Plans</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted:
	<ul>
	<li>Index search for Java EE metadata. See <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233505">bug
	233505</a></li>
	<li>Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265952">bug
	265952</a></li>
	</ul>
	</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA
	Tools</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT
	Texo project proposal</a></li>
	<li><a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven
	Integration</a></li>
	</ul>
	<hr />
	<p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
	<p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
	</body>
	</html>