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| <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for June 8, 2010 Conference Call</h1> |
| <h2>Call Info</h2> |
| <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br /> |
| Alternate: 770-615-1247<br /> |
| Access code: 173098# <br /> |
| <a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full |
| list of phone numbers</a><br /> |
| <br /> |
| <a |
| href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107 |
| &month=06 |
| &day=08 |
| &year=2010 |
| &hour=11 |
| &min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call |
| Time: 8:00 AM Pacific; 11:00 AM Eastern; 1500 UTC</a></p> |
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| <h2>Attendees</h2> |
| <h3>PMC Members</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David |
| Williams: Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: N</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan |
| Srinivasan: Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge: |
| Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer: |
| Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan |
| Raev: Y</li> |
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| <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2> |
| <ul> |
| |
| <li>PMC Review for RC4 <a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.2.0RC4/pmc-bug-approval.php">PMC |
| Approval Summary page</a>.</li> |
| |
| <li>Any other release issues? Final build today?</li> |
| |
| <li>Docuware and IP Log submitted on time. |
| <p>I did receive query about JSDT ... IP Staff surprised they were |
| releasing/graduating. (remember to communicate that seperately, next |
| time)</p> |
| <p>Still not listed on <a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/whatsnew.php">what's new</a> |
| page. They said we would be once IP docs approved.</p> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/releaseReviews/201006/WebTools3.2ReleaseOverview.pdf">Overview</a> |
| </li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/releaseReviews/201006/WebTools3.2.pdf">Details</a> |
| </li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/helios/heliosinaction.php">Helios |
| in Action (2 slots!)</a></li> |
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| <li>Discuss Konstantin's request to PMC: |
| <p>See <a |
| href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01667.html">original |
| message.</a></p> |
| |
| <p>This is a request to have a move review. June 8 meeting for |
| questions and discussion, and the PMC will make a decision/position |
| within a few weeks after that.</p> |
| <p>Related information and links:</p> |
| <ul> |
| |
| <li><a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/development_process.php#6_3_7_Move_Review">Dev. |
| Process: Move Review</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/dev_process/Eclipse_Standard_TopLevel_Charter_v1.0.php">PMC |
| Responsibilities</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_summary.php?projectid=technology.fproj">technology.fproj</a></li> |
| |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/fproj/">The |
| original Technology Project Proposal for Faceted Projects</a></li> |
| <li>Others?</li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| |
| <li id="movenotes">Rough notes from meeting. |
| <p>Konstantin presented the reasons he'd like the Faceted project |
| code outside of WTP.</p> |
| |
| <p>Partially for appearance and visibility as a generally useful |
| framework, not specific to webtools. Broaden appeal, broaden adoption. |
| </p> |
| <p>He was pretty direct that the move was to have independent |
| governance, that in his view of open source development, the individual |
| person who works on some framework code should have final say in what |
| they do with that code (that they could not be vetoed by other |
| committers in the project). </p> |
| <p>He sees the framework's 2.x code as a fresh start, with his own |
| API Policy (not WTP's) which would include removing all the currently |
| deprecated API The current API would be renamed to its own package |
| namespace. (The current/continued 1.x stream would keep same namespace |
| and API as it has now, and he'd try to maintain compatibility, having |
| the old code call out to the new code.)</p> |
| <p>The new v2 framework would offer some new UI work. clean API (no |
| deprecated API). No "core api" additions or concepts were mentioned.</p> |
| <p>He said there were no other adopters, beyond WTP. Some recent |
| discussions came from PDT (who prereq WTP). He has discussed with CDT, |
| but Doug said "interesting, but no time or people to do right now". |
| Konstantin would also like to pitch to PDE team, if he had independent |
| project.</p> |
| <p>As to why "more efficient" to do both old and new code in one |
| project, he mentioned then they could have a common build.</p> |
| <p>He acknowledged the incubating state of current Faceted Project |
| project, and thought it would not take much to get graduated. (He |
| mentioned work on build).</p> |
| <p>He acknowledged there was not much community in the new |
| Incubating project,, in terms of adoption, mailing lists, newsgroups, |
| bugzilla, which he attributes to the "chicken and egg" phenomena.</p> |
| <p>When asked about having other committers in the new project, he |
| said he would like very much if others made substantial contributions |
| to the code (but no one has so far, and no one has shown much |
| interest).</p> |
| <p>He said he could not think of any alternatives, such as (my |
| offhand suggestion) having a sub-sub-project of WTP's Common Tools |
| project would not solve the governance problem, he said.</p> |
| <p>Overall, I think the meeting/discussion accomplished what it |
| should have (increased our understanding, give him a chance to |
| explain).</p> |
| </li> |
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| </ul> |
| |
| <h2>Handy Links from past meetings</h2> |
| <h3>References</h3> |
| <ul> |
| |
| |
| |
| <li><a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_31">Continuous |
| Improvement Notes</a></li> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2010/">EclipseCon 2010</a></li> |
| |
| <li>FYI ... Eclipse Foundation has a relatively new <a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/home/categories/index.php?category=enterprise">"enterprise |
| page"</a>.</li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools">WTP |
| 3.2 Plans</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Other projects to watch:</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted: |
| <ul> |
| <li>Index search for Java EE metadata. See <a |
| href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233505">bug |
| 233505</a></li> |
| <li>Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See <a |
| href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265952">bug |
| 265952</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA |
| Tools</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT |
| Texo project proposal</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven |
| Integration</a></li> |
| </ul> |
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| <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p> |
| <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p> |
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