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 <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for June 29, 2010 Conference Call</h1>
 <h2>Call Info</h2>
 <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
 Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
 Access code: 173098# <br />
 <a
 	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full
 list of phone numbers</a><br />
 <br />
 <a
 	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
 &amp;month=06
 &amp;day=08
 &amp;year=2010
 &amp;hour=11
 &amp;min=0&amp;sec=0&amp;p1=207">Call
 Time: 8:00 AM Pacific; 11:00 AM Eastern; 1500 UTC</a></p>


 <h2>Attendees</h2>
 <h3>PMC Members</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David
 	Williams: Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: N</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan
 	Srinivasan: Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge:
 	Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer:
 	Y</li>
 	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan
 	Raev: R</li>
 </ul>


 <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>


 <h2>Any general high level points of how to improve WTP?</h2>


 <p>Good writeup in Mylin wiki, about <a
 	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Mylyn_Contributor_Reference">"being
 a contributor"</a></p>

 <p>We didn't discuss much on this call, but was jokingly asked if we
 need a PR firm? Are we perceived as having closed meetings? (Even though
 not, lots of notes, public number, etc.). Are we perceived as not being
 innovative, when we see ourselves excelling in stability? We know the
 balance between innovation and stability is a hard balance to achieve
 ... but what leds to one perception over another? Stability is hard to
 "see"? Only miss it when its gone? Change is especially hard when so
 many committers are very busy, overbooked, overworked, working on their
 own things, so changing, even testing, even opening bugs for small
 breaks can seem like a lot of extra work (unless they understand the
 importance, reasons, need, etc. Case in point ... Eclipse 4.1 :)</p>

 <h2>Our plans for Eclispe 3.7 vs 4.1?</h2>
 <p>We should tentatively plan on supporting/running on both. One set
 of plugins, hopefully, running in compatibility mode. No current plans
 to exploit e4-only functionality. We need some experience and builds
 with it, to know if it is feasible.</p>
 <p>Action: dw to send links on info, schedulue, downloads, etc. for
 4.0</p>

 <h2>Faceted project plans</h2>
 <p>We discussed if latest proposal to wtp-pmc list was "legal" or
 not ... and we left it that we expect Wayne will clarify if
 branching/moving code in cvs is really not a move, since it is a branch
 (sounds like a move, but ... it is EPL code?), and if another project
 can release its own version of WTP namespace bundles/features? That
 would seem to break a lot of co-existence installs. If everything
 released as "product" it technically would be possible, but then PHP
 could not be installed into WTP (as an example, if PHP adopted new
 Technology code, and WTP did not). And it would be bad/hard to release
 everything as a "product". Whether legal or not, we could not really see
 the purpose (other than POC), or how it would work in practice, and
 seemed like a hard path to go down. So we expect more discussion.</p>

 <h3>References</h3>
 <ul>

 	<li><a
 		href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_32">Continuous
 	Improvement Notes</a></li>


 </ul>
 <h3>What became of these?</h3>
 <ul>
 	<li>WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted:
 	<ul>
 		<li>Index search for Java EE metadata. See <a
 			href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233505">bug
 		233505</a></li>
 		<li>Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See <a
 			href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265952">bug
 		265952</a></li>
 	</ul>
 	</li>

 </ul>
 <hr />
 <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
 <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
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	<title>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for June 29, 2010 Conference Call</title>
	</head>
	<body>
	<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for June 29, 2010 Conference Call</h1>
	<h2>Call Info</h2>
	<p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
	Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
	Access code: 173098# <br />
	<a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full
	list of phone numbers</a><br />
	<br />
	<a
	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
	&month=06
	&day=08
	&year=2010
	&hour=11
	&min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call
	Time: 8:00 AM Pacific; 11:00 AM Eastern; 1500 UTC</a></p>


	<h2>Attendees</h2>
	<h3>PMC Members</h3>
	<ul>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David
	Williams: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: N</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan
	Srinivasan: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil Hauge:
	Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim deBoer:
	Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan
	Raev: R</li>
	</ul>


	<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>


	<h2>Any general high level points of how to improve WTP?</h2>


	<p>Good writeup in Mylin wiki, about <a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/Mylyn_Contributor_Reference">"being
	a contributor"</a></p>

	<p>We didn't discuss much on this call, but was jokingly asked if we
	need a PR firm? Are we perceived as having closed meetings? (Even though
	not, lots of notes, public number, etc.). Are we perceived as not being
	innovative, when we see ourselves excelling in stability? We know the
	balance between innovation and stability is a hard balance to achieve
	... but what leds to one perception over another? Stability is hard to
	"see"? Only miss it when its gone? Change is especially hard when so
	many committers are very busy, overbooked, overworked, working on their
	own things, so changing, even testing, even opening bugs for small
	breaks can seem like a lot of extra work (unless they understand the
	importance, reasons, need, etc. Case in point ... Eclipse 4.1 :)</p>

	<h2>Our plans for Eclispe 3.7 vs 4.1?</h2>
	<p>We should tentatively plan on supporting/running on both. One set
	of plugins, hopefully, running in compatibility mode. No current plans
	to exploit e4-only functionality. We need some experience and builds
	with it, to know if it is feasible.</p>
	<p>Action: dw to send links on info, schedulue, downloads, etc. for
	4.0</p>

	<h2>Faceted project plans</h2>
	<p>We discussed if latest proposal to wtp-pmc list was "legal" or
	not ... and we left it that we expect Wayne will clarify if
	branching/moving code in cvs is really not a move, since it is a branch
	(sounds like a move, but ... it is EPL code?), and if another project
	can release its own version of WTP namespace bundles/features? That
	would seem to break a lot of co-existence installs. If everything
	released as "product" it technically would be possible, but then PHP
	could not be installed into WTP (as an example, if PHP adopted new
	Technology code, and WTP did not). And it would be bad/hard to release
	everything as a "product". Whether legal or not, we could not really see
	the purpose (other than POC), or how it would work in practice, and
	seemed like a hard path to go down. So we expect more discussion.</p>

	<h3>References</h3>
	<ul>

	<li><a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_32">Continuous
	Improvement Notes</a></li>


	</ul>
	<h3>What became of these?</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>WTP @ GSoC 2009. There are two project accepted:
	<ul>
	<li>Index search for Java EE metadata. See <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=233505">bug
	233505</a></li>
	<li>Embed OpenEJB in J2EE Preview server adapter. See <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=265952">bug
	265952</a></li>
	</ul>
	</li>

	</ul>
	<hr />
	<p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
	<p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
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