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| <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for May 10, 2011 Conference Call</h1> |
| <h2>Call Info</h2> |
| <p> |
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| Time: 11:00 AM Eastern</a> |
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| <h2>Attendees</h2> |
| <h3>PMC Members</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David |
| Williams: Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai: |
| N</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan |
| Srinivasan: Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil |
| Hauge: Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim |
| deBoer: N</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan |
| Raev: Y</li> |
| <li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Chuck |
| Bridgham: Y</li> |
| </ul> |
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| <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2> |
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| <p> |
| Remember to monitor <a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.3.0RC/pmc-bug-approval.php">PMC |
| review list for 3.3.0 end game.</a>. |
| </p> |
| <p> |
| Remember to monitor <a |
| href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.2.4/pmc-bug-approval.php">PMC |
| review list for 3.2.4 end game</a>. |
| </p> |
| |
| <p> |
| Discuss <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=257640">validation |
| bug</a>. |
| </p> |
| <p style="font-style: italic;">We decided to treat as "hotbug", to |
| review during status meetings. I also updated "hot bug description"" |
| to make clearer that other Eclipse/WTP projects can, just for extra |
| review.</p> |
| |
| <p>Are we ready to release 3.2.4 on Friday? Need respin? Delay? Not |
| ready to propose or conclude anything ... . but, as a heads-up ... ...</p> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Regression related to EJBs (see <a |
| href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=345006">bug |
| 345006</a>).</li> |
| <li>Another bug is being investigated (no bug number yet) where |
| an OOME easily occurs with large JavaScript libraries. Not a |
| regression, exactly, but is a scalability issue that shows up in |
| enterprise contexts. Sill being investigated ... this is just an |
| early heads up.</li> |
| </ul> |
| |
| <p style="font-style: italic;">We will respin for bug 345006. Since |
| this isn't a "simultaneious release", we will reset the "quiet week" |
| and not officially release until 5/20, just to give a chance to |
| confirm the rebuild went ok ... not to fix more bugs. Note: latest |
| info is that JSDT memory issue is not suitable for "quick fix", and |
| not that obvious in "plain" WTP so JSDT team will look at other |
| alternatives, and (probably) fix in the next maintenance release. dw |
| to send note to wtp-dev on Wednesday with (proposed) change to exact |
| maintenance release date and begin formal sign-off.</p> |
| |
| <p>Can we accommodate a 3.2.5 proposed release? First of September? |
| Maybe November? Not ready for concrete proposal ... but should have |
| high level discussion. Can we handle three streams at once? Can we |
| "lighten" weekly testing load, somehow?</p> |
| |
| <p style="font-style: italic;">There were no objections, and |
| general agreement it is better, in the sense of being more open (more |
| transparent) to fix things in a mini-release, rather than in a lot of |
| patch builds. Of course there is the concern about having "3 streams |
| at once" -- we could not do three smoke tests every week, for example. |
| Two alternatives were suggested: a) alternate maintenance testing ... |
| Helios every other week, Indigo maintenance every other week, Juno |
| every week, or b) perhaps agree to a policy that "any team that |
| contributes to a build should smoke test it", still have three |
| "declares" every week (as long as any contributions, any amount of |
| testing) and then have one focused testing period near "ramp down" of |
| any stream or milestone, where everyone tests, just to make sure no |
| inadvertent side effects (such as, just as an example, where a change |
| in XML DOM might effect JPA function). We'd also need to make clear, and agree to policy, |
| that the 3 streams are "cumlative" ... that is, fixes in Helios also |
| need to go in Indigo stream, and also need to go in Juno stream, to |
| maintain parity between streams. It was also mentioned we'd need to be |
| clear on the "message" we send ... that the extra maintenance releases |
| were simply to provide really good quality, on a long term basis to users and adopters that need it, |
| rather then simply expecting all adopters to move up to new release every |
| year. That is, we are not doing it because a stream has bad |
| quality, or anything.</p> |
| <h3>Other Business ... ?</h3> |
| |
| <p style="font-style: italic;"></p> |
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| <h2>Future Agenda items</h2> |
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| |
| <li>Discuss our model and assignments of "PMC Roles". Do they |
| still make sense?</li> |
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| </ul> |
| <h2>References</h2> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_32">Continuous |
| Improvement Notes</a> |
| </li> |
| </ul> |
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| Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>. |
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| <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p> |
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