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 	<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for September 20, 2011 Conference Call</h1>
 	<h2>Call Info </h2>
 	<p>
 		Toll free (in US and Canada): 888-426-6840 <br /> Access code:
 		5019600# <br /> Caller pay alternative number: 215-861-6239<br /> <a
 			href="https://www.teleconference.att.com/servlet/glbAccess?process=1&accessCode=6460142&accessNumber=2158616239">Full
 			list of global access numbers</a><br /> <br /> <a
 			href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
 &amp;month=08
 &amp;day=25
 &amp;year=2011
 &amp;hour=11
 &amp;min=0&amp;sec=0&amp;p1=207">Call
 			Time: 11:00 AM Eastern</a>
 	</p>

 <!--
 	<h2>Attendees</h2>
 	<h3>PMC Members</h3>
 	<ul>
 		<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Chuck
 			Bridgham: Y</li>
 		<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai:
 			N</li>
 		<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan
 			Srinivasan: Y</li>
 		<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil
 			Hauge: Y</li>
 		<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim
 			deBoer: N</li>
 		<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan
 			Raev: Y</li>
 		<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David
 			Williams: Y</li>
 	</ul>
 -->

 	<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>

 	<h3>Release 3.3.1 final build delivered - SR1 pending...</h3>

 	<p>
 		<a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.3.1/pmc-bug-approval.php">Approval list</a>.
 	</p>


 	<h3>3.4 Release planning</h3>

 	<p>
 		<a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools">Top-level plan</a>
 	</p>
 	<ul>
 		<li>M2: Initial Planning document.</li>
 		<li>M3: Iterate/Review plans</li>
 		<li>M4: Final Plans due</li>
 	</ul>

 	<h3>Discuss API policy and bug 353775</h3>
 	<p>- Do we need to define facets as API - what attributes, behavior should be considered API?
 	- Possibly similar to plugin extension points where everything considered API - Chuck to track down policy.

 	- We need to better define our policy on adding features in maintenance release

 	- Is feature patch a viable solution for adopters?

 	- Neil - this change will create project compatibility issues  (3.2.5 projects can't be shared into 3.2.4 workspace)
 	</p>

 	<h3>Discussion on Git adoption</h3>
 	<p>Kaloyan - Continue polling - discuss results on Thursday's call'
 	- Should we put a stake in the ground mandating when we need to see some progress in educating our committers?
 	- investigate a subproject that could "pilot" a git repo feeding into our overall PDE build
 	- More discussion on CVS - GIT transition - should replace CVS feature for feature
 	</p>

 	<h3>Discussion on 4.2 adoption</h3>
 	<p>Neil - Many small problems found
 	- subtle changes in behavior - not clear issues are adopter usage or platform bugs.
 	- Need to track across WTP - propose a whiteboard tag for finding 4.x issues(both WTP and platform)
 	</p>


 	<h3>Other Business ... ?</h3>

 	<p>
 		webtool.website Progress from <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=356874">tracking bug</a>
 	</p>

 	<p style="font-style: italic;">Progress moving WTP 3.4 builds "officially" to 4.2 platform as the default.
 		Tracking progress of <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Smoke_Test_Results_R340_On_R420_09082011 ">special R4.2 sniff test</a>

 		Carl continues to work on 4.2 builds to get the wtp zips published, and ready to change order and frequency of both 3.8 and 4.2 builds</p>


 	<h2>Future Agenda items</h2>
 	<!--  <ul style="text-indent: 5em; font-style: italic;"> -->
 	<ul style="font-style: italic;">


 		<li>Discuss our model and assignments of "PMC Roles". Do they
 			still make sense?</li>


 	</ul>
 	<h2>References</h2>
 	<ul>
 		<li><a
 			href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_32">Continuous
 				Improvement Notes</a></li>
 	</ul>


 	<hr />
 	<p>
 		Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.
 	</p>
 	<p>Please send any additions or corrections to Chuck Bridgham.</p>
 </body>
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	<title>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for September 20, 2011 Conference
	Call</title>
	</head>


	<body>
	<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for September 20, 2011 Conference Call</h1>
	<h2>Call Info </h2>
	<p>
	Toll free (in US and Canada): 888-426-6840 <br /> Access code:
	5019600# <br /> Caller pay alternative number: 215-861-6239<br /> <a
	href="https://www.teleconference.att.com/servlet/glbAccess?process=1&accessCode=6460142&accessNumber=2158616239">Full
	list of global access numbers</a><br /> <br /> <a
	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
	&month=08
	&day=25
	&year=2011
	&hour=11
	&min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call
	Time: 11:00 AM Eastern</a>
	</p>

	<!--
	<h2>Attendees</h2>
	<h3>PMC Members</h3>
	<ul>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Chuck
	Bridgham: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Naci Dai:
	N</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Raghunathan
	Srinivasan: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Neil
	Hauge: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Tim
	deBoer: N</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">Kaloyan
	Raev: Y</li>
	<li style="margin: 0em 0.2em 0em 0em; padding: 0.0em;">David
	Williams: Y</li>
	</ul>
	-->

	<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>

	<h3>Release 3.3.1 final build delivered - SR1 pending...</h3>

	<p>
	<a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.3.1/pmc-bug-approval.php">Approval list</a>.
	</p>



	<h3>3.4 Release planning</h3>

	<p>
	<a href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project-plan.php?projectid=webtools">Top-level plan</a>
	</p>
	<ul>
	<li>M2: Initial Planning document.</li>
	<li>M3: Iterate/Review plans</li>
	<li>M4: Final Plans due</li>
	</ul>

	<h3>Discuss API policy and bug 353775</h3>
	<p>- Do we need to define facets as API - what attributes, behavior should be considered API?
	- Possibly similar to plugin extension points where everything considered API - Chuck to track down policy.

	- We need to better define our policy on adding features in maintenance release

	- Is feature patch a viable solution for adopters?

	- Neil - this change will create project compatibility issues (3.2.5 projects can't be shared into 3.2.4 workspace)
	</p>

	<h3>Discussion on Git adoption</h3>
	<p>Kaloyan - Continue polling - discuss results on Thursday's call'
	- Should we put a stake in the ground mandating when we need to see some progress in educating our committers?
	- investigate a subproject that could "pilot" a git repo feeding into our overall PDE build
	- More discussion on CVS - GIT transition - should replace CVS feature for feature
	</p>

	<h3>Discussion on 4.2 adoption</h3>
	<p>Neil - Many small problems found
	- subtle changes in behavior - not clear issues are adopter usage or platform bugs.
	- Need to track across WTP - propose a whiteboard tag for finding 4.x issues(both WTP and platform)
	</p>


	<h3>Other Business ... ?</h3>

	<p>
	webtool.website Progress from <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=356874">tracking bug</a>
	</p>

	<p style="font-style: italic;">Progress moving WTP 3.4 builds "officially" to 4.2 platform as the default.
	Tracking progress of <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Smoke_Test_Results_R340_On_R420_09082011 ">special R4.2 sniff test</a>

	Carl continues to work on 4.2 builds to get the wtp zips published, and ready to change order and frequency of both 3.8 and 4.2 builds</p>


	<h2>Future Agenda items</h2>
	<!-- <ul style="text-indent: 5em; font-style: italic;"> -->
	<ul style="font-style: italic;">


	<li>Discuss our model and assignments of "PMC Roles". Do they
	still make sense?</li>


	</ul>
	<h2>References</h2>
	<ul>
	<li><a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Team_thoughts_on_continuous_improvement_32">Continuous
	Improvement Notes</a></li>
	</ul>


	<hr />
	<p>
	Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.
	</p>
	<p>Please send any additions or corrections to Chuck Bridgham.</p>
	</body>
	</html>