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| <title>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for May 13, 2008 Conference Call</title> |
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| <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for May 13, 2008 Conference Call</h1> |
| <h2>Call Info</h2> |
| <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br /> |
| Alternate: 770-615-1247<br /> |
| Access code: 800388# <br /> |
| <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full list of phone numbers</a><br /> |
| <br /> |
| <a |
| href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107 |
| &month=10 |
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| &year=2007 |
| &hour=11 |
| &min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call |
| Time: 1500 UTC</a></p> |
| <h2>Attendees</h2> |
| <h3>PMC Members</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>David Williams: Y</li> |
| <li>Naci Dai: N (Regrets)</li> |
| <li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li> |
| <li>Neil Hauge: Y</li> |
| <li>Tim deBoer: Y</li> |
| <li>Kaloyan Raev Y</li> |
| </ul> |
| <!-- |
| <h3>Invited Guests</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Philippe Ombredanne (ATF): N</li> |
| </ul> |
| --> |
| <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Amy Wu as committer in webservices sub-project? |
| <p>Confirmed</p> |
| </li> |
| <li>Java One Report (from Raghu) |
| <p>Some good action in 'spaces'. Java 6 hot topic. MyEclipse uses and masks us well. NetBeans doing well, |
| especially for JSF.</p> |
| </li> |
| </ul> |
| <h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2> |
| <h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3> |
| <p><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01414.html">Raghu has requested</a> we discuss <a |
| href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Web_Tools_Platform_Release_3.0_Requirements">Requirements Document</a> to help him |
| "close it out" and begin next.</p> |
| <p><b>Note from meeting:</b> Should create final copy before Release Review. Ask Project Leads to spend 20 minutes |
| looking if any "completed" items should be mentioned (copied) under themes. If we have empty theme, should we remove? Or |
| just say "we did no activity in this area".</p> |
| <p>We need Draft release plan, in standard format, for next years release by June (See see <a |
| href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=215301">bug 215301</a>).<br /> |
| Raghu to lead, and propose an alternative or two. Rumor has it that the June deadline was to have a standard format |
| decided, and the "infrastructure" in place to roll them up into a single roadmap document. The "real" plan is expected |
| by September. My understanding was there would be a new note to this effect to "project leads list", but haven't seen it |
| yet.</p> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP Requirements Lead Role</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3> |
| <p><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01401.html">meeting conflict till end of May</a></p> |
| <p>** Need status update</p> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Phase 1, organize what we have, done by end January.</li> |
| <li>Phase 2, self guided new materials. some available by EclipseCon.</li> |
| <li>phase 3, shutdown .. scenarios</li> |
| </ul> |
| <dl> |
| <dt>Notes:</dt> |
| <dd>Orgainizing "current" now, should be ready by EclipseCon.</dd> |
| <dd>Will be organized better for narrowing selection and sorting.</dd> |
| <dd>For now, the "database" will be one XML file, with various attributes/qualities to search and sort on.</dd> |
| </dl> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP Education Lead</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Planning: David Williams</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>We may need <b>another</b> 2.0.2 patch -- and/or another release!, 2.0.3, to collect these "bad bugs". |
| (I've asked Naci to get involved, but haven't heard anything yet.) |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=201318">201318</a> [hotbug] EAR Libraries |
| container fails to initialize for 2.5 web project</li> |
| <li><a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=230256">230256</a> hotbug_request] jst.jee |
| JEEDeployableFactory refuses to load ejb3 module</li> |
| </ul> |
| <li>Ganymede M7 ready (yesterday, today)</li> |
| |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.0.0/pmc-bug-approval.php">PMC Review</a></li> |
| <li>Beginning Review Materials |
| <ul> |
| <li>June 4th (materials due by 5/21) -- we'll need to work on via email with our final PMC review 5/20. |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/iprelated/ip_log.php">IP Log</a>: third party code, list of |
| committers, contributors, the newly required "other third party dependencies"</li> |
| <li>Coming up: do API summaries? List deprecated functions?</li> |
| <li>Need about files, etc., done by 5/15</li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| </ul> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP Planning Role</a></li> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Patches_for_Release_2.0.2">patch process document</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Any remaining "automatically close since so old" work we should do now, before release? |
| <p><b>Note from meeting:</b> We will skip any new auto processing for now (too late) and start-up after release.</p> |
| </li> |
| </ul> |
| <h4>Reference:</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP Quality Lead</a></li> |
| <li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality Page</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Kaloyan still considering to do a walktrhough in a few weeks.</li> |
| </ul> |
| <dl> |
| <dt>Notes:</dt> |
| <dd> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Working on "use cases" document, for novice user. Should be ready for public review and comments in a |
| few weeks.</li> |
| </ul> |
| </dd> |
| </dl> |
| <h4>References</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP User Experience Lead</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Tim will find out specific "advise to give developers (and auto-test teams)" to implement the WTP API |
| policy (which tools/build reports to use).</li> |
| </ul> |
| <dl> |
| <dt>Notes:</dt> |
| <dd> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Recommended to restart the protected non-api scans.</li> |
| <li>Will not accept new data, for now, but if tooling could be improved to detect/remove additional |
| (non-protected) data, then perhaps it'd be useful to show non-api use going down.</li> |
| <li>But, an update: Have discovered that current ones are nearly meaningless, since so much as changed, so |
| scan's show us as "changing protected API", but it's not protected API any longer. |
| <ul> |
| <li>Concluded we should still run the scans, as sort of a "unit test" to see if any new, unexpected |
| breakage. Run occasionally, that is, such as every milestone?</li> |
| <li>We'll need to tell developers to "make use of as best they can" since it includes lots of noise.</li> |
| <li>We may look at easy ways to reduce noise ... such as to "diff" with previous, or some particular |
| reference report.</li> |
| <li>It was suggested at some point we may want to put the work back on adopters to sanitize their data, |
| but, that might still require more work on our part to make sure no new usage data was added.</li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| </ul> |
| </dd> |
| </dl> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP Architecture Lead Role</a></li> |
| <li>Tracking meetings and work at <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP |
| Architecture Working Group</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h2>General business?</h2> |
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| <ul> |
| <li>Other projects to watch: |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT Texo project proposal</a></li> |
| <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven Integration</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| <li>Potential resource issues? |
| <ul> |
| <li>Product plugin for EPP and welcome screen</li> |
| <li>Refactoring Doc features (and moving to appropriate sub-projects).</li> |
| <li>Refactoring SDK (source and JavaDoc) features/bundles (and moving to appropriate sub-projects)</li> |
| <li>Platform/OS coverage for testing and support? -- probably suffices to simply record coverage. Perhaps |
| ask for community help.</li> |
| <li>Performance Tests -- Kayolan making some progress.</li> |
| <li>Needs some JSF features, at least for build</li> |
| </ul> |
| <dl> |
| <dt>Notes:</dt> |
| <dd> |
| <ul> |
| <li>No obvious resource solutions.</li> |
| </ul> |
| </dd> |
| </dl> |
| </li> |
| </ul> |
| --> |
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| <h2>Action Items</h2> |
| <h3>To Do</h3> |
| <ol> |
| <li>Raghu: create a wiki page: a checklist for how to lower the barrier to participation for all projects</li> |
| <li>David: create wiki page for 3rd-party requirements</li> |
| <li>Naci (changed from David): post instructions and reminders for our "community resources" and presentations |
| page, especially, even, for eclipseCon 2007, and Eclipse Summit</li> |
| </ol> |
| <h3>Done</h3> |
| <ol> |
| <li>15022010, all: WTP Refactor follow up: Need to update website. Project Leads will need to take ownership |
| of their own pages. See <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=201331">bug 201331</a></li> |
| <li>David: Reorg CVS. See <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_CVS_Restructuring">CVS Restructuring |
| Proposal</a></li> |
| <li>David: update our "planning" documents with dates for both Ganymede and Winter maintenance.</li> |
| <li>David: Resolved <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Policy_on_Package_Visibility">WTP Policy on |
| Package Visibility</a></li> |
| </ol> |
| --> |
| <h2>PMC Calendar</h2> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Eclipse World deadline has passed (though they sometimes accept late submissions). Who has submitted? |
| <p><b>Note from meeting:</b> Raghu and Neil have submitted. |
| </li> |
| <li>Eclipse European Summit</li> |
| </ul> |
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| <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p> |
| <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p> |
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