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| <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for September 16, 2008 Conference Call</h1> |
| <h2>Call Info</h2> |
| <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br /> |
| Alternate: 770-615-1247<br /> |
| Access code: 269746# <br /> |
| <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full list of phone numbers</a><br /> |
| <br /> |
| <a |
| href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107 |
| &month=10 |
| &day=16 |
| &year=2007 |
| &hour=11 |
| &min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call |
| Time: 1500 UTC</a></p> |
| <h2>Attendees</h2> |
| <h3>PMC Members</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>David Williams: Y</li> |
| <li>Naci Dai: N</li> |
| <li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li> |
| <li>Neil Hauge: Y</li> |
| <li>Tim deBoer: Y</li> |
| <li>Kaloyan Raev Y</li> |
| </ul> |
| <!-- |
| <h3>Invited Guests</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Philippe Ombredanne (ATF): N</li> |
| </ul> |
| --> |
| <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2> |
| <ul> |
| <li>Any last minute comments on <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/BoardReviews/2008/WTPReview2008.pdf">Board |
| Presentation of WTP Review</a>? I'll give update/feedback next PMC meeting.</li> |
| <li>WTP 3.0.2 Ship Readiness? |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.0.2/pmc-bug-approval.php">PMC Review Page</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=allwordssubstr&short_desc=&classification=WebTools&product=Dali+JPA+Tools&product=Java+Server+Faces&product=Web+Tools&product=WTP+Common+Tools&product=WTP+Datatools&product=WTP+EJB+Tools&product=WTP+Incubator&product=WTP+Java+EE+Tools&product=WTP+Releng&product=WTP+ServerTools&product=WTP+Source+Editing&product=WTP+Webservices&product=WTP+Website&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_severity=blocker&bug_severity=critical&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&field0-0-0=target_milestone&type0-0-0=notequals&value0-0-0=1.5.5+P">Bad |
| Bugs</a></li> |
| <li><a |
| href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/buglist.cgi?query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=anywordssubstr&short_desc=[hotbug_request]+[hotbug]&classification=WebTools&long_desc_type=allwordssubstr&long_desc=&bug_file_loc_type=allwordssubstr&bug_file_loc=&status_whiteboard_type=allwordssubstr&status_whiteboard=&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&emailtype1=substring&email1=&emailtype2=substring&email2=&bugidtype=include&bug_id=&votes=&chfieldfrom=&chfieldto=Now&chfieldvalue=&cmdtype=doit&order=Reuse+same+sort+as+last+time&known_name=hotbug+requests&query_based_on=hotbug+requests&field0-0-0=target_milestone&type0-0-0=notequals&value0-0-0=1.5.5+P">hotbug</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| </li> |
| <li>We also discussed a proposal to have an early 3.0.3 maintenance release, and will make formal decision next |
| week. (Note sent to wtp-dev).</li> |
| <li>We also discussed (some) the Dai 2.1 plan. Neil agreed that 2.0.x maintenance would continue for serious |
| bugs if required. He also agreed the 2.1 plan needs a "ramp down" period added. We also need to come up with a build |
| component/process that produces a separate zip (and would have different prereqs, at some point). Neil will open bug |
| to track.</li> |
| <li>We also discussed the general problem of us hitting "Wednesday deliveries". The Simultaneous Release team |
| (Planning Council) wants narrow delivery windows but it does mess up our rhythm).</li> |
| </ul> |
| <h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2> |
| <!-- Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top --> |
| <h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3> |
| <dl> |
| <dt>Notes:</dt> |
| <dd>Neil investigating "close old bugs" policy.</dd> |
| <dd>Neil has estimated approximately 800 bugs (of 2000 untargeted bugs) could be considered "old bugs". He'll |
| prepare a table and note to send to project with encouragement to PLs to handle ... something like either triage |
| individually and assign a target, or mark with 'helpwanted' or mark in mass with a kind comment to re-open if still |
| an issue (with reason for the mass update, etc.).</dd> |
| </dl> |
| <h4>Reference:</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP Quality Lead</a></li> |
| <li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality Page</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>During meeting Kaloyan complemented David Carver for planning another XSLT UI walkthrough, related to |
| "common launching". Dave's overall contributions to WTP and Eclipse were noted.</li> |
| </ul> |
| <h4>References</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP User Experience Lead</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP Architecture Lead Role</a></li> |
| <li>Tracking meetings and work at <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP |
| Architecture Working Group</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3> |
| <p><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_3.1_Project_Plan">Planning Process Document</a> has been started.</p> |
| <p>Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a <a |
| href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg01422.html">Planning Council message</a> |
| (and elsewhere).</p> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP Requirements Lead Role</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3> |
| <p>Please review: <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/resources/">Resource Page Proposal</a></p> |
| <p>Naci was approached (and countered) with some proposed articles for Eclipse (online) magazine [need link. only |
| one I found last published in 2007?] Naci will invite authors for a series of articles for "WTP Uncovered":</p> |
| <ol> |
| <li>web developer tools (xml, xsl, html, css)</li> |
| <li>web applications with Java (jsf, jsp, server)</li> |
| <li>enterprise application (jpa/ejb)</li> |
| <li>soa, webservices</li> |
| <li>adopters/extending (maybe)</li> |
| </ol> |
| <p>Naci updated us today: Publisher would like all articles in one issue (for an issued focused on WTP). Online |
| version would be in English. Print version would be translated to German. They'd like one overview article less than |
| 20,000 words, and 4 shorter, but more focused article on specific areas, each less than 10,000 words</p> |
| <p>Naci will have some Eductation site/materials ready next week. He'll likely create a new bugzilla component |
| ("Education"? I assume under the main Web Tools "product")</p> |
| <p>As mentioned last week, we'll publish education materials under <a |
| href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/">Creative Commons -- Attribution Share Alike</a> but still EPL |
| for sample code, examples and snippets.</p> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP Education Lead</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Planning: David Williams</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li>3.0.2. Ready? Be sure to watch <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.0.2/pmc-bug-approval.php">PMC |
| Review Page</a></li> |
| <li>M2</li> |
| <li>?Pre 1.0 release of ATF component mid October</li> |
| <li>JPT 2.1</li> |
| <li>2009, Galileo Release</li> |
| </ul> |
| <!-- |
| <dl> |
| <dt>Notes:</dt> |
| <dd>Reminder to be sure to check for <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.0.1/pmc-bug-approval.php">"PMC |
| Review" bugs</a>.</dd> |
| <dd>Reminded to be consistent in approving defects (such as getting project lead review, documenting "stop |
| ship" need, etc.</dd> |
| </dl> |
| --> |
| <h4>Reference</h4> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP Planning Role</a></li> |
| <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Patches_for_Release_2.0.2">patch process document</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h2>General business?</h2> |
| <h3>bugs to watch</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Discussed need for <a |
| href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=152461">bug 152461</a></li> |
| <li> |
| <div style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a |
| href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245645">bug 245645</a></div> |
| </li> |
| <li>Also need to watch <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245573">bug 245573</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h3>Other projects to watch:</h3> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA Tools</a></li> |
| <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT Texo project proposal</a></li> |
| <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven Integration</a></li> |
| </ul> |
| <h2>PMC Calendar</h2> |
| <ul> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipseworld.net/">Eclipse World</a><br /> |
| Raghu and Neil have submitted.</li> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/summiteurope2008/">Eclipse European Summit</a>. <br /> |
| Kaloyan "wtp project" <br /> |
| Naci will attend but (probably) not present. <br /> |
| Neil has submitted for Dali (and Eclipse link) <br /> |
| Cameron and JSF</li> |
| <li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2009/">EclipseCon 2009</a>. September we'll start recruiting talks.</li> |
| </ul> |
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| <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p> |
| <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p> |
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