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 <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for October 07, 2008 Conference Call</h1>
 <h2>Call Info</h2>
 <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
 Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
 Access code: 269746# <br />
 <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full list of phone numbers</a><br />
 <br />
 <a
     href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
 &amp;month=10
 &amp;day=16
 &amp;year=2007
 &amp;hour=11
 &amp;min=0&amp;sec=0&amp;p1=207">Call
 Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>
 <h2>Attendees</h2>
 <h3>PMC Members</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>David Williams: Y</li>
     <li>Naci Dai: N</li>
     <li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
     <li>Neil Hauge: Y</li>
     <li>Tim deBoer: Y</li>
     <li>Kaloyan Raev Y</li>
 </ul>
 <!--
 <h3>Invited Guests</h3>
 <ul>
 <li>Philippe Ombredanne (ATF): N</li>
 </ul>
 -->
 <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
 <p>We discussed <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=249347">bug 249347</a> and agreed it was
 within scope of 3.0.3 (even though it is "on the edge", or in a grey area). We'll do what we can to support the effort,
 but must minimize any changes in behavior. Also, we'd like an improved fix in future releases so it is a more publicly
 visible and well documented preference, instead of a only a preference that only knowing adopters can set to override or
 replace WTP behavior. While we want WTP to be a platform that others can enhance we want, as a general rule, to
 encourage "add-on function" patterns of use, instead of "replace function" patterns of use. The former takes more work,
 to document, to create API, to resolve conflicts, etc., but allows all providers to contribute in the participating
 nature of Eclipse plugins ... instead of promoting that "the product is in charge of everything" and gives end-users the
 ability to control how things work and what function they use.</p>
 <h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
 <!-- Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top -->
 <h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
 <p>Please review: <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/resources/">Resource Page Proposal</a></p>
 <p>Naci was approached (and countered) with some proposed articles for Eclipse (online) magazine [need link. only
 one I found last published in 2007?] Naci will invite authors for a series of articles for "WTP Uncovered":</p>
 <ol>
     <li>web developer tools (xml, xsl, html, css)</li>
     <li>web applications with Java (jsf, jsp, server)</li>
     <li>enterprise application (jpa/ejb)</li>
     <li>soa, webservices</li>
     <li>adopters/extending (maybe)</li>
 </ol>
 <p>Naci updated us today: Publisher would like all articles in one issue (for an issued focused on WTP). Online
 version would be in English. Print version would be translated to German. They'd like one overview article less than
 20,000 words, and 4 shorter, but more focused article on specific areas, each less than 10,000 words</p>
 <p>Naci will have some Eductation site/materials ready next week.</p>
 <p>New Bugzilla component created: "Education".</p>
 <p>We will publish education materials under <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/" >Creative
 Commons - Attribution Share Alike</a> but still EPL for sample code, examples and snippets.</p>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP Education Lead</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
 <p><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_3.1_Project_Plan">Planning Process Document</a> has been started.</p>
 <p>Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a <a
     href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg01422.html">Planning Council message</a>
 (and elsewhere).</p>
 <hr />
 <p>Raghu's Preliminary Note (to PMC PLs)</p>
 <p>As you all know, we need to create the project plan for WTP-Galileo in the standard project plan format provided
 by the Foundation. We also need to create a plan for each subproject. So I have created the first cut of the plan for
 most of the active subprojects in WTP.</p>
 <p>I need you to update the projectplanurl field for your project from the Eclipse Portal. For help, see the <a
     href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Development_Resources/HOWTO/Project_Meta-Data">HOWTO/Project_Meta-Data</a>. I dont
 have the permission to update this for all the subprojects. Once you do that, you can view the plan by going to the
 standard home for your project, For example, see the one for <a
     href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_summary.php?projectid=webtools">webtools as a whole</a>, scroll down
 to the Project Plan section and click on the link that says, "pending standard form".</p>
 <p>I would appreciate if you could try this and report your findings at the PMC call tomorrow. I (and David) have
 had mixed experiences in viewing this file and hence I want you to test it out before I mail this to all the other
 leads.</p>
 <p>Following are the URLs to use for each of the subprojects:</p>
 <ul>
     <li>EJB Tools: <code>http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/standard-project-plans/galileo/ejb-tools-plan.xml</code></li>
     <li>Dali: <code>http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/standard-project-plans/galileo/dali-plan.xml</code></li>
     <li>Server Tools: <code>http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/standard-project-plans/galileo/server-tools-plan.xml</code></li>
     <li>Releng: <code>http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/standard-project-plans/galileo/releng-plan.xml</code></li>
 </ul>
 <p>For the community to consume, I am hoping I can aggregate the plans to one plan.</p>
 <hr />
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
 <h4>long term items to track</h4>
 <ul>
     <li>?Pre 1.0 release of ATF component mid October?</li>
     <li>JPT 2.1 (need release review)</li>
     <li>2009, Galileo Release</li>
 </ul>
 <!--
 <dl>
     <dt>Notes:</dt>
     <dd>Reminder to be sure to check for <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.0.1/pmc-bug-approval.php">"PMC
     Review" bugs</a>.</dd>
     <dd>Reminded to be consistent in approving defects (such as getting project lead review, documenting "stop
     ship" need, etc.</dd>
 </dl>
  -->
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP Planning Role</a></li>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Patches_for_Release_2.0.2">patch process document</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
 <dl>
     <dt>Notes:</dt>
     <dd>Neil investigating "close old bugs" policy.</dd>
     <dd>Neil has estimated approximately 800 bugs (of 2000 untargeted bugs) could be considered "old bugs". He'll
     prepare a table and note to send to project with encouragement to PLs to handle ... something like either triage
     individually and assign a target, or mark with 'helpwanted' or mark in mass with a kind comment to re-open if still
     an issue (with reason for the mass update, etc.).</dd>
 </dl>
 <h4>Reference:</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP Quality Lead</a></li>
     <li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality Page</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
 <ul>
     <li></li>
 </ul>
 <h4>References</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP User Experience Lead</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
 <ul>
     <li></li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
     <li>Tracking meetings and work at <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
     Architecture Working Group</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h2>General business?</h2>
 <h3>bugs to watch</h3>
 <ul>
     <li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Discussed need for <a
         href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=152461">bug 152461</a></li>
     <li>
     <div style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a
         href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245645">bug 245645</a></div>
     </li>
     <li>Also need to watch <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245573">bug 245573</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA Tools</a></li>
     <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT Texo project proposal</a></li>
     <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven Integration</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h2>PMC Calendar</h2>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://www.eclipseworld.net/">Eclipse World</a><br />
     Raghu and Neil have submitted.</li>
     <li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/summiteurope2008/">Eclipse European Summit</a>. <br />
     Kaloyan "wtp project" <br />
     Naci will attend but (probably) not present. <br />
     Neil has submitted for Dali (and Eclipse link) <br />
     Cameron and JSF</li>
     <li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2009/">EclipseCon 2009</a>. September we'll start recruiting talks.</li>
 </ul>
 <hr />
 <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
 <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
 </body>
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	</head>
	<body>
	<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for October 07, 2008 Conference Call</h1>
	<h2>Call Info</h2>
	<p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
	Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
	Access code: 269746# <br />
	<a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full list of phone numbers</a><br />
	<br />
	<a
	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
	&month=10
	&day=16
	&year=2007
	&hour=11
	&min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call
	Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>
	<h2>Attendees</h2>
	<h3>PMC Members</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>David Williams: Y</li>
	<li>Naci Dai: N</li>
	<li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
	<li>Neil Hauge: Y</li>
	<li>Tim deBoer: Y</li>
	<li>Kaloyan Raev Y</li>
	</ul>
	<!--
	<h3>Invited Guests</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>Philippe Ombredanne (ATF): N</li>
	</ul>
	-->
	<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
	<p>We discussed <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=249347">bug 249347</a> and agreed it was
	within scope of 3.0.3 (even though it is "on the edge", or in a grey area). We'll do what we can to support the effort,
	but must minimize any changes in behavior. Also, we'd like an improved fix in future releases so it is a more publicly
	visible and well documented preference, instead of a only a preference that only knowing adopters can set to override or
	replace WTP behavior. While we want WTP to be a platform that others can enhance we want, as a general rule, to
	encourage "add-on function" patterns of use, instead of "replace function" patterns of use. The former takes more work,
	to document, to create API, to resolve conflicts, etc., but allows all providers to contribute in the participating
	nature of Eclipse plugins ... instead of promoting that "the product is in charge of everything" and gives end-users the
	ability to control how things work and what function they use.</p>
	<h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
	<!-- Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top -->
	<h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
	<p>Please review: <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/resources/">Resource Page Proposal</a></p>
	<p>Naci was approached (and countered) with some proposed articles for Eclipse (online) magazine [need link. only
	one I found last published in 2007?] Naci will invite authors for a series of articles for "WTP Uncovered":</p>
	<ol>
	<li>web developer tools (xml, xsl, html, css)</li>
	<li>web applications with Java (jsf, jsp, server)</li>
	<li>enterprise application (jpa/ejb)</li>
	<li>soa, webservices</li>
	<li>adopters/extending (maybe)</li>
	</ol>
	<p>Naci updated us today: Publisher would like all articles in one issue (for an issued focused on WTP). Online
	version would be in English. Print version would be translated to German. They'd like one overview article less than
	20,000 words, and 4 shorter, but more focused article on specific areas, each less than 10,000 words</p>
	<p>Naci will have some Eductation site/materials ready next week.</p>
	<p>New Bugzilla component created: "Education".</p>
	<p>We will publish education materials under <a href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/" >Creative
	Commons - Attribution Share Alike</a> but still EPL for sample code, examples and snippets.</p>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP Education Lead</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
	<p><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_3.1_Project_Plan">Planning Process Document</a> has been started.</p>
	<p>Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a <a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg01422.html">Planning Council message</a>
	(and elsewhere).</p>
	<hr />
	<p>Raghu's Preliminary Note (to PMC PLs)</p>
	<p>As you all know, we need to create the project plan for WTP-Galileo in the standard project plan format provided
	by the Foundation. We also need to create a plan for each subproject. So I have created the first cut of the plan for
	most of the active subprojects in WTP.</p>
	<p>I need you to update the projectplanurl field for your project from the Eclipse Portal. For help, see the <a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/Development_Resources/HOWTO/Project_Meta-Data">HOWTO/Project_Meta-Data</a>. I dont
	have the permission to update this for all the subprojects. Once you do that, you can view the plan by going to the
	standard home for your project, For example, see the one for <a
	href="http://www.eclipse.org/projects/project_summary.php?projectid=webtools">webtools as a whole</a>, scroll down
	to the Project Plan section and click on the link that says, "pending standard form".</p>
	<p>I would appreciate if you could try this and report your findings at the PMC call tomorrow. I (and David) have
	had mixed experiences in viewing this file and hence I want you to test it out before I mail this to all the other
	leads.</p>
	<p>Following are the URLs to use for each of the subprojects:</p>
	<ul>
	<li>EJB Tools: <code>http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/standard-project-plans/galileo/ejb-tools-plan.xml</code></li>
	<li>Dali: <code>http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/standard-project-plans/galileo/dali-plan.xml</code></li>
	<li>Server Tools: <code>http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/standard-project-plans/galileo/server-tools-plan.xml</code></li>
	<li>Releng: <code>http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/standard-project-plans/galileo/releng-plan.xml</code></li>
	</ul>
	<p>For the community to consume, I am hoping I can aggregate the plans to one plan.</p>
	<hr />
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
	<h4>long term items to track</h4>
	<ul>
	<li>?Pre 1.0 release of ATF component mid October?</li>
	<li>JPT 2.1 (need release review)</li>
	<li>2009, Galileo Release</li>
	</ul>
	<!--
	<dl>
	<dt>Notes:</dt>
	<dd>Reminder to be sure to check for <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/plans/3.0.1/pmc-bug-approval.php">"PMC
	Review" bugs</a>.</dd>
	<dd>Reminded to be consistent in approving defects (such as getting project lead review, documenting "stop
	ship" need, etc.</dd>
	</dl>
	-->
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP Planning Role</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Patches_for_Release_2.0.2">patch process document</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
	<dl>
	<dt>Notes:</dt>
	<dd>Neil investigating "close old bugs" policy.</dd>
	<dd>Neil has estimated approximately 800 bugs (of 2000 untargeted bugs) could be considered "old bugs". He'll
	prepare a table and note to send to project with encouragement to PLs to handle ... something like either triage
	individually and assign a target, or mark with 'helpwanted' or mark in mass with a kind comment to re-open if still
	an issue (with reason for the mass update, etc.).</dd>
	</dl>
	<h4>Reference:</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP Quality Lead</a></li>
	<li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality Page</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
	<ul>
	<li></li>
	</ul>
	<h4>References</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP User Experience Lead</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
	<ul>
	<li></li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
	<li>Tracking meetings and work at <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
	Architecture Working Group</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h2>General business?</h2>
	<h3>bugs to watch</h3>
	<ul>
	<li style="text-decoration: line-through;">Discussed need for <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=152461">bug 152461</a></li>
	<li>
	<div style="text-decoration: line-through;">Also need to watch <a
	href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245645">bug 245645</a></div>
	</li>
	<li>Also need to watch <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=245573">bug 245573</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA Tools</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT Texo project proposal</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven Integration</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h2>PMC Calendar</h2>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipseworld.net/">Eclipse World</a><br />
	Raghu and Neil have submitted.</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/summiteurope2008/">Eclipse European Summit</a>. <br />
	Kaloyan "wtp project" <br />
	Naci will attend but (probably) not present. <br />
	Neil has submitted for Dali (and Eclipse link) <br />
	Cameron and JSF</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2009/">EclipseCon 2009</a>. September we'll start recruiting talks.</li>
	</ul>
	<hr />
	<p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
	<p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
	</body>
	</html>