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 <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for March 10, 2009 Conference Call</h1>
 <h2>Call Info</h2>
 <p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
 Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
 Access code: 173098# <br />
 <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full list of phone numbers</a><br />
 <br />
 <a
     href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
 &amp;month=11
 &amp;day=04
 &amp;year=2008
 &amp;hour=11
 &amp;min=0&amp;sec=0&amp;p1=207">Call
 Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>
 <!--
 <h2>Attendees</h2>
 <h3>PMC Members</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>David Williams: Y</li>
     <li>Naci Dai: N</li>
     <li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
     <li>Neil Hauge: Y</li>
     <li>Tim deBoer: Y</li>
     <li>Kaloyan Raev: R</li>
 </ul>
  -->
 <h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
 <ul>
     <li>Clarify CQ PMC approval
     <p>Any of us can approve, even your own submissions -- PMC members are assumed, even required :), to have
     excellent judgment. Naturally, we can all still discuss difficult or controversial cases.</p>
     </li>
     <li>XSL Incubation Review
     <p>Scheduled for 18th. Docuware due by 11th. Does PMC approve this <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/releaseReviews/200903/WTP-INC-XSL-GRAD.pdf">Docuware?</a></p>
     </li>
     <li>Accessibility Requirements?</li>
     <li>Discuss <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=262437">Bug 262437 (Add dependency on
     EclipseLink from Dali EclipseLink feature)</a>
     <p>Off-hand reaction was that EclipseLink could be part of the JEE IDE Package, but not the normal wtp download</p>
     <p>Some thought/discussion should take place on if Dali EclipseLink feature should be part of EclipseLink, with
     Dali proper being able to "plugin" similar runtime-tool sets.</p>
     <p>There are two cases, 1) provide out of the box functionality -- pure packaging and 2) improve functionality
     --requiring compile-time dependancy.</p>
     </li>

     <!--<li>Any proposals yet for 3.0.5? Tentative proposal May 20th/27th.</li>
     <li>Proposal for WTP 3.2: JPA 2.0, JSDT, JEE 6 tolerance? JEE 6 Support? JSF 2.0?
     <li>... in December? or March?</li>
     <li>... or release in December, service in March?</li>
     <li>... what, then would June's release be? (same, but on Eclipse 3.6)</li>
     <li>XSL Tools Graduation?</li>
 -->
 </ul>
 <!--<p>Unclear when JPA 2.0 Spec. will finalize (probably summer, but possible fall). But otherwise Dec. is good.</p>
 <p>Is JPA 2.0 "tied to" the JEE 6.0? No.</p>
 <p>JEE 6 tolerance for sure, some support if specs done</p>
 <p>when would feature freeze be? Kaloyan leaning toward October feature freeze. "Early December" preferable.</p>
 <p>XML Project would be good, but important to keep as a unit.</p>

 -->
 <!--

 Reports, Actions, Issues

  -->
 <h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
 <!--

     Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top

 -->
 <!--

     Planning

  -->
 <h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>M6</li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP Planning Role</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     User Experience

  -->
 <h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>?</li>
 </ul>
 <h4>References</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP User Experience Lead</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Quality

  -->
 <h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
 <ul>
     <li></li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference:</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP Quality Lead</a></li>
     <li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality Page</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Architecture

  -->
 <h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>
     <p>Tim still owes writeup of tips on how to get started.</p>
     </li>
 </ul>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
     <li>Tracking meetings and work at <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
     Architecture Working Group</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Education

  -->
 <h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
 <p>Naci reports web pages for education materials are about ready. He is writing article, as deadline is in
 December. Raghu was only response he got for being interested in contributing too.</p>
 <p>Please review: <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/resources/">Resource Page Proposal</a></p>
 <p>Naci Reports continuing to work on articles</p>
 <p>Working with Ian to do a press release on education materials. Prior or concurrent with EclipseCon</p>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP Education Lead</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

     Requirements

  -->
 <h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
 <p>Raghu noted we should remind PLs to update plans every milestone.</p>
 <h4>Reference</h4>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_3.1_Project_Plan">Planning Process Document</a> has been started.</li>
     <li>Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a <a
         href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg01422.html">Planning Council
     message</a> (and elsewhere).</li>
     <li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
 </ul>
 <!--

 General business

  -->
 <h2>General business?</h2>
 <h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA Tools</a></li>
     <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT Texo project proposal</a></li>
     <li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven Integration</a></li>
 </ul>
 <h2>PMC Calendar</h2>
 <ul>
     <li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2009/">EclipseCon 2009</a>.</li>
 </ul>
 <hr />
 <p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
 <p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
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	</head>
	<body>
	<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for March 10, 2009 Conference Call</h1>
	<h2>Call Info</h2>
	<p>Tollfree in the US: 877-421-0030 <br />
	Alternate: 770-615-1247<br />
	Access code: 173098# <br />
	<a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/images/f/f6/WTP_status_phone_access.pdf">Full list of phone numbers</a><br />
	<br />
	<a
	href="http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/custom.html?cities=224,207,1440,107
	&month=11
	&day=04
	&year=2008
	&hour=11
	&min=0&sec=0&p1=207">Call
	Time: 1500 UTC</a></p>
	<!--
	<h2>Attendees</h2>
	<h3>PMC Members</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>David Williams: Y</li>
	<li>Naci Dai: N</li>
	<li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
	<li>Neil Hauge: Y</li>
	<li>Tim deBoer: Y</li>
	<li>Kaloyan Raev: R</li>
	</ul>
	-->
	<h2>Announcements and General Business</h2>
	<ul>
	<li>Clarify CQ PMC approval
	<p>Any of us can approve, even your own submissions -- PMC members are assumed, even required :), to have
	excellent judgment. Naturally, we can all still discuss difficult or controversial cases.</p>
	</li>
	<li>XSL Incubation Review
	<p>Scheduled for 18th. Docuware due by 11th. Does PMC approve this <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/releaseReviews/200903/WTP-INC-XSL-GRAD.pdf">Docuware?</a></p>
	</li>
	<li>Accessibility Requirements?</li>
	<li>Discuss <a href="https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=262437">Bug 262437 (Add dependency on
	EclipseLink from Dali EclipseLink feature)</a>
	<p>Off-hand reaction was that EclipseLink could be part of the JEE IDE Package, but not the normal wtp download</p>
	<p>Some thought/discussion should take place on if Dali EclipseLink feature should be part of EclipseLink, with
	Dali proper being able to "plugin" similar runtime-tool sets.</p>
	<p>There are two cases, 1) provide out of the box functionality -- pure packaging and 2) improve functionality
	--requiring compile-time dependancy.</p>
	</li>

	<!--<li>Any proposals yet for 3.0.5? Tentative proposal May 20th/27th.</li>
	<li>Proposal for WTP 3.2: JPA 2.0, JSDT, JEE 6 tolerance? JEE 6 Support? JSF 2.0?
	<li>... in December? or March?</li>
	<li>... or release in December, service in March?</li>
	<li>... what, then would June's release be? (same, but on Eclipse 3.6)</li>
	<li>XSL Tools Graduation?</li>
	-->
	</ul>
	<!--<p>Unclear when JPA 2.0 Spec. will finalize (probably summer, but possible fall). But otherwise Dec. is good.</p>
	<p>Is JPA 2.0 "tied to" the JEE 6.0? No.</p>
	<p>JEE 6 tolerance for sure, some support if specs done</p>
	<p>when would feature freeze be? Kaloyan leaning toward October feature freeze. "Early December" preferable.</p>
	<p>XML Project would be good, but important to keep as a unit.</p>

	-->
	<!--

	Reports, Actions, Issues

	-->
	<h2>Reports, Actions, Issues</h2>
	<!--

	Rotate topics by taking last one and putting it on top

	-->
	<!--

	Planning

	-->
	<h3>Planning: David Williams</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>M6</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Planning_Lead">WTP Planning Role</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	User Experience

	-->
	<h3>WTP User Experience Lead: Kaloyan Raev</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>?</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>References</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_User_Experience_Lead">WTP User Experience Lead</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Quality

	-->
	<h3>Quality: Neil Hauge</h3>
	<ul>
	<li></li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference:</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality_Lead">WTP Quality Lead</a></li>
	<li>See also <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Quality">Quality Page</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Architecture

	-->
	<h3>Architecture: Tim deBoer</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>
	<p>Tim still owes writeup of tips on how to get started.</p>
	</li>
	</ul>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Lead">WTP Architecture Lead Role</a></li>
	<li>Tracking meetings and work at <a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Architecture_Working_Group">WTP
	Architecture Working Group</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Education

	-->
	<h3>Education: Naci Dai</h3>
	<p>Naci reports web pages for education materials are about ready. He is writing article, as deadline is in
	December. Raghu was only response he got for being interested in contributing too.</p>
	<p>Please review: <a href="http://www.eclipse.org/webtools/community/resources/">Resource Page Proposal</a></p>
	<p>Naci Reports continuing to work on articles</p>
	<p>Working with Ian to do a press release on education materials. Prior or concurrent with EclipseCon</p>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Education_Lead">WTP Education Lead</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	Requirements

	-->
	<h3>Requirements: Raghu Srinivasan</h3>
	<p>Raghu noted we should remind PLs to update plans every milestone.</p>
	<h4>Reference</h4>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_3.1_Project_Plan">Planning Process Document</a> has been started.</li>
	<li>Eclipse-level dates and requirements have been clarified in a <a
	href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse.org-planning-council/msg01422.html">Planning Council
	message</a> (and elsewhere).</li>
	<li><a href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/WTP_Requirements_Lead">WTP Requirements Lead Role</a></li>
	</ul>
	<!--

	General business

	-->
	<h2>General business?</h2>
	<h3>Other projects to watch:</h3>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/sca-tools/">SCA Tools</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-pmc/msg01400.html">EMFT Texo project proposal</a></li>
	<li><a href="http://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/wtp-dev/msg06011.html">Maven Integration</a></li>
	</ul>
	<h2>PMC Calendar</h2>
	<ul>
	<li><a href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2009/">EclipseCon 2009</a>.</li>
	</ul>
	<hr />
	<p>Back to <a href="../index_pmc_call_notes.php">meeting list</a>.</p>
	<p>Please send any additions or corrections to David Williams.</p>
	</body>
	</html>