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 <h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for November 07, 2006 Conference Call</h1>


 <h2>Call Info</h2>
 <p>Tollfree in the US: 866-214-3176 <br />
 Alternate: 404-827-9098 <br />
 Access code: 8870689# <br />
 <br />
 <a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/">Call Time: 7am PDT / 10am PDT</a>
 </p>
 <h2>Attendees</h2>
 <h3>PMC Members</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>Tim Wagner: R</li>
     <li>David Williams: Y</li>
     <li>Naci Dai: Y</li>
     <li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
     <li>Jochen Krause: R</li>
     <li>Arthur Ryman: Y</li>
 </ul>

 <h3>Invited Guests</h3>
 <ul>
     <li>Neil Hauge (JPA/Dali): Y</li>
     <li>Bob Goodman (AFT): Y</li>
     <li>Jean Choi: N</li>
     <li>Rob Frost (proxy for Tim): Y</li>
     <li>Pieter Humphrey: Y</li>
 </ul>

 <h2>Community</h2>
 <ul>
     <li>Pieter Humphrey: community activity and status <br />
     posts</li>
 </ul>
 <h3><a
     href="http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/php/search-specific.php?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=&track_id=4&content=">EclipseCon:
 Web Development Track</a></h3>
 <ul>
     <li>Tutorials: <a
         href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2007/index.php?page=programcommittee/">Quota</a>
     is 1 long and 3 short</li>
 </ul>

 <h4>Raw notes and rough ordering from today's discussion</h4>
 <h5>Long Tutorials</h5>
 <ul>
     <li>*3581 EclipseCon 2007 Long Tutorial Extending the Web Tools
     Platform <br />
     A good, basic, overall "extending WTP" theme.</li>

     <li>3668 EclipseCon 2007 Long Tutorial BEA Workshop Studio JPA
     (Java Persistence API) Tutorial <br />
     sounds too focused on Commercial Product, for most Eclipse
     attendee's tastes</li>

     <li>3666 EclipseCon 2007 Long Tutorial BEA Workshop for JSF
     Tutorial <br />
     sounds too focused on Commercial Product, for most Eclipse
     attendee's tastes <br />
     but, consider talks in other areas, such as "business" area, for the
     BEA "blended development model"</li>

     <li>3637 EclipseCon 2007 Long Tutorial Extending the JavaServer
     Faces Tools project <br />
     good, but long</li>
 </ul>

 <h5>Short Tutorials</h5>
 <ul>
     <li>*3633 EclipseCon 2007 Short Tutorial Building applications
     with the Java Persistence API and Dali</li>
     <li>*3654 EclipseCon 2007 Short Tutorial Working with the
     JavaServer Faces Tools Project <br />
     Raghu, Cameron, creating and extending (new component library)</li>

     <li>+3634 EclipseCon 2007 Short Tutorial Extending the XML and
     source editors from the WTP Project <br />
     (merge with another? such as Naci and John's long tutorial? con:
     many interested are not interested in webtools, per se, just XML)</li>

     <li>+3638 EclipseCon 2007 Short Tutorial Java Web Application
     Development with Eclipse WTP <br />
     Naci, Arthur, Lawrence. good, but is it a "in the book" case?</li>

     <li>+3576 EclipseCon 2007 Short Tutorial Extending the Ajax
     Toolkit Framework <br />
     Philippe. sounds complex -- plus, need to have balance on "building
     apps" (less on "extending WTP")</li>

     <li>3625 EclipseCon 2007 Short Tutorial Developing Rich
     Applications with JSF and AJAX <br />
     Max, Excedel. Sounds interesting, maybe a little complex for short
     tutorial? Maybe not so much on Eclipse WTP, per se?</li>
     <li>3677 EclipseCon 2007 Short Tutorial Using the Web Tools
     Platform in Headless Mode <br />
     Sounds interesting to limited audience. Maybe could be "converted"
     to a long talk?</li>
 </ul>


 <h2>Process</h2>
 <ul>
     <li>ACLs added to allow Dali, JSF, and ATF write access to
     webtools website cvs</li>
 </ul>


 <h2>Requirements and 2.0 Planning</h2>
 <ul>
     <li>WTP Requirements call last Thursday. Minutes/Notes?</li>
     <li><a
         href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/DTP_Requirements_Council">Please
     note DTP Requirements Call next week!</a></li>
 </ul>

 <h2>1.5.2, 1.5.3, and 2.0 Status</h2>
 <ul>
     <li>1.5.2 released</li>
     <li>Will need "feature patch" for one blocking bug<br />
     (in approximately one week)</li>
     <li>1.5.3 builds started ... no smoke/tests declares for a bit</li>
     <li>M3 coming up 11/15 for 2.0.</li>
 </ul>

 <h2>JSF status</h2>
 <ul>
     <li>Use case doc for facets written (see bug)</li>
     <li>Working on plan -- end of week</li>
 </ul>

 <h2>Dali Status</h2>
 <ul>
     <li>Pheonix Website? Arthur to start Phoenix subdirectory for
     incremental conversion</li>
     <li>get into wtp build wed., or thur this week</li>
     <li>SDK builds</li>
     <li>planning another meeting, after new year</li>
 </ul>

 <h2>ATF Status</h2>
 <h3>Tech Preview</h3>
 <p>Planning for the first part of January. We didn't want to do it
 the at the end of the year, since we were afraid that any announcement
 wouldn't be noticed with everything going on around Christmas. Also, a
 lot of team will be out of the office around Christmas. There are two
 things that we want to get into the Tech Preview which are Mac support
 and a supported version of Mozilla's XULRunner 1.8.1. There is a lot of
 demand for Mac, so we thing that this would be a good addition to the
 Tech Preview. We are using an hand built version of Mozilla's XULRunner
 1.8.1. We are working with Mozilla to begin official build of XULRunner
 1.8.1, We didn't want to do a Tech Preview with a hand built unsupported
 version of XULRunner.</p>
 <h3>APIs Definition</h3>
 <p>Defining APIs, wasn't consider when considered when developing
 ATF. We will need to define the API's and then implement them. We have
 started looking at the areas we want to define API's. We also plan to
 start a discussion on our listserv, so the community can weigh in on the
 areas that they consider important for APIs. By the time we are ready to
 do a Tech Preview, we should know the areas that we want to define APIs,
 but the API's won't be defined.</p>
 <h3>JavaScript Editor.</h3>
 <p>We plan to announce out plan to do a new JavaScript editor. We
 plan to post a detail proposal to solicit community feedback, possible
 alternatives, additional project participation, and ways the project can
 be leveraged from the Eclipse membership-at-large.</p>

 <h2>Action Items and Owners</h2>
 <ul>
     <li>David: send note to allow access to website, for jsf, dali,
     and atf committers [done]</li>
 </ul>


 <small>Agenda/Minutes by David Williams, November 07, 2006.
 Please send any corrections needed. </small>
 </body>
 </html>
	<html>
	<head>
	<title>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for November 07, 2006 Conference
	Call</title>
	</head>

	<body>


	<h1>WTP PMC Agenda/Minutes for November 07, 2006 Conference Call</h1>


	<h2>Call Info</h2>
	<p>Tollfree in the US: 866-214-3176 <br />
	Alternate: 404-827-9098 <br />
	Access code: 8870689# <br />
	<br />
	<a href="http://www.timeanddate.com/">Call Time: 7am PDT / 10am PDT</a>
	</p>
	<h2>Attendees</h2>
	<h3>PMC Members</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>Tim Wagner: R</li>
	<li>David Williams: Y</li>
	<li>Naci Dai: Y</li>
	<li>Raghunathan Srinivasan: Y</li>
	<li>Jochen Krause: R</li>
	<li>Arthur Ryman: Y</li>
	</ul>

	<h3>Invited Guests</h3>
	<ul>
	<li>Neil Hauge (JPA/Dali): Y</li>
	<li>Bob Goodman (AFT): Y</li>
	<li>Jean Choi: N</li>
	<li>Rob Frost (proxy for Tim): Y</li>
	<li>Pieter Humphrey: Y</li>
	</ul>

	<h2>Community</h2>
	<ul>
	<li>Pieter Humphrey: community activity and status <br />
	posts</li>
	</ul>
	<h3><a
	href="http://eclipsezilla.eclipsecon.org/php/search-specific.php?query_format=specific&order=relevance+desc&bug_status=__open__&product=&track_id=4&content=">EclipseCon:
	Web Development Track</a></h3>
	<ul>
	<li>Tutorials: <a
	href="http://www.eclipsecon.org/2007/index.php?page=programcommittee/">Quota</a>
	is 1 long and 3 short</li>
	</ul>

	<h4>Raw notes and rough ordering from today's discussion</h4>
	<h5>Long Tutorials</h5>
	<ul>
	<li>*3581 EclipseCon 2007 Long Tutorial Extending the Web Tools
	Platform <br />
	A good, basic, overall "extending WTP" theme.</li>

	<li>3668 EclipseCon 2007 Long Tutorial BEA Workshop Studio JPA
	(Java Persistence API) Tutorial <br />
	sounds too focused on Commercial Product, for most Eclipse
	attendee's tastes</li>

	<li>3666 EclipseCon 2007 Long Tutorial BEA Workshop for JSF
	Tutorial <br />
	sounds too focused on Commercial Product, for most Eclipse
	attendee's tastes <br />
	but, consider talks in other areas, such as "business" area, for the
	BEA "blended development model"</li>

	<li>3637 EclipseCon 2007 Long Tutorial Extending the JavaServer
	Faces Tools project <br />
	good, but long</li>
	</ul>

	<h5>Short Tutorials</h5>
	<ul>
	<li>*3633 EclipseCon 2007 Short Tutorial Building applications
	with the Java Persistence API and Dali</li>
	<li>*3654 EclipseCon 2007 Short Tutorial Working with the
	JavaServer Faces Tools Project <br />
	Raghu, Cameron, creating and extending (new component library)</li>

	<li>+3634 EclipseCon 2007 Short Tutorial Extending the XML and
	source editors from the WTP Project <br />
	(merge with another? such as Naci and John's long tutorial? con:
	many interested are not interested in webtools, per se, just XML)</li>

	<li>+3638 EclipseCon 2007 Short Tutorial Java Web Application
	Development with Eclipse WTP <br />
	Naci, Arthur, Lawrence. good, but is it a "in the book" case?</li>

	<li>+3576 EclipseCon 2007 Short Tutorial Extending the Ajax
	Toolkit Framework <br />
	Philippe. sounds complex -- plus, need to have balance on "building
	apps" (less on "extending WTP")</li>

	<li>3625 EclipseCon 2007 Short Tutorial Developing Rich
	Applications with JSF and AJAX <br />
	Max, Excedel. Sounds interesting, maybe a little complex for short
	tutorial? Maybe not so much on Eclipse WTP, per se?</li>
	<li>3677 EclipseCon 2007 Short Tutorial Using the Web Tools
	Platform in Headless Mode <br />
	Sounds interesting to limited audience. Maybe could be "converted"
	to a long talk?</li>
	</ul>


	<h2>Process</h2>
	<ul>
	<li>ACLs added to allow Dali, JSF, and ATF write access to
	webtools website cvs</li>
	</ul>


	<h2>Requirements and 2.0 Planning</h2>
	<ul>
	<li>WTP Requirements call last Thursday. Minutes/Notes?</li>
	<li><a
	href="http://wiki.eclipse.org/index.php/DTP_Requirements_Council">Please
	note DTP Requirements Call next week!</a></li>
	</ul>

	<h2>1.5.2, 1.5.3, and 2.0 Status</h2>
	<ul>
	<li>1.5.2 released</li>
	<li>Will need "feature patch" for one blocking bug<br />
	(in approximately one week)</li>
	<li>1.5.3 builds started ... no smoke/tests declares for a bit</li>
	<li>M3 coming up 11/15 for 2.0.</li>
	</ul>

	<h2>JSF status</h2>
	<ul>
	<li>Use case doc for facets written (see bug)</li>
	<li>Working on plan -- end of week</li>
	</ul>

	<h2>Dali Status</h2>
	<ul>
	<li>Pheonix Website? Arthur to start Phoenix subdirectory for
	incremental conversion</li>
	<li>get into wtp build wed., or thur this week</li>
	<li>SDK builds</li>
	<li>planning another meeting, after new year</li>
	</ul>

	<h2>ATF Status</h2>
	<h3>Tech Preview</h3>
	<p>Planning for the first part of January. We didn't want to do it
	the at the end of the year, since we were afraid that any announcement
	wouldn't be noticed with everything going on around Christmas. Also, a
	lot of team will be out of the office around Christmas. There are two
	things that we want to get into the Tech Preview which are Mac support
	and a supported version of Mozilla's XULRunner 1.8.1. There is a lot of
	demand for Mac, so we thing that this would be a good addition to the
	Tech Preview. We are using an hand built version of Mozilla's XULRunner
	1.8.1. We are working with Mozilla to begin official build of XULRunner
	1.8.1, We didn't want to do a Tech Preview with a hand built unsupported
	version of XULRunner.</p>
	<h3>APIs Definition</h3>
	<p>Defining APIs, wasn't consider when considered when developing
	ATF. We will need to define the API's and then implement them. We have
	started looking at the areas we want to define API's. We also plan to
	start a discussion on our listserv, so the community can weigh in on the
	areas that they consider important for APIs. By the time we are ready to
	do a Tech Preview, we should know the areas that we want to define APIs,
	but the API's won't be defined.</p>
	<h3>JavaScript Editor.</h3>
	<p>We plan to announce out plan to do a new JavaScript editor. We
	plan to post a detail proposal to solicit community feedback, possible
	alternatives, additional project participation, and ways the project can
	be leveraged from the Eclipse membership-at-large.</p>

	<h2>Action Items and Owners</h2>
	<ul>
	<li>David: send note to allow access to website, for jsf, dali,
	and atf committers [done]</li>
	</ul>



	<small>Agenda/Minutes by David Williams, November 07, 2006.
	Please send any corrections needed. </small>
	</body>
	</html>